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A BEAR MARKET OR JUST A CORRECTION?

7 June 2010 by TPC 59 Comments

Readers have likely noted my decidedly more bearish tone of late.  Coming into 2010 I was fairly optimistic about the equity markets and the economy in the first half of the year with expectations of a second half slow-down.   The market appeared likely to unfold in exactly that manner, but the developments in China and Greece looked like game changers to me as the global turmoil unfolded a bit faster than I expected.  So much so that I initiated my first net short position in over two years as the S&P surged to 1200.  Just a few short weeks later the market was literally crashing.

But as the market continues to decline we have to ask ourselves if fear isn’t getting a bit ahead of fundamentals?  Are investors too bearish and pricing in too much negativity or are they not bearish enough?  In other words, is this a new bear market or this just a correction? This was the question David Rosenberg asked himself in last Thursday’s missive:

“Well, so far the S&P 500 is down nearly 10% from the highs, so this is indeed a correction thus far but more often than not, declines like these morph into something more severe — even when we are in durable economic expansion phases like 1987 and 1998. This recovery is tentative, at best. But the numbers we are looking at is a 50% retracement of the March 2009-April 2010 runup, which means 943 on the S&P 500 and the reality that lows in the market, whether they be interim or more fundamental, tend to occur with the index 20% below the 200-day moving average, which at this stage would be 879. So at least we have a defined range of when to begin to put money to work. A break below that range would indicate that Mr. Market is sniffing out a double-dip recession, not just a visible slowing.

The ECRI leading index is down to a 47-week low, which is pointing towards much softer growth ahead and the Shanghai equity index is off nearly 30% and perhaps giving us a reading on global growth prospects. The one thing we do know is that the last time China was down 30%, this was a train hardly worth boarding in terms of how to be positioned between risky assets and a more defensive posture.

Note that even within the S&P 500, the decay is spreading as now we are up to 76 companies who have corrected 20% or more and therefore are in a classic bear market phase. And, it’s not just energy stocks — 6 of the worst-performing 20 stocks since the April peak in the market have been in the consumer discretionary space. Consumer staples, meanwhile, have stocks that have actually gone up since the April market top — Mr. Market is telling you that the frugality theme is alive and well.”

It’s difficult to disagree with anything Rosenberg says (is he on the verge of redemption?).  The fundamentals certainly appear to be changing for the worse.  The chain of events that is occurring right now really couldn’t be occurring at a worse time – as government stimulus begins to taper off.  The problems in Europe are front and center and as I’ve been warning for months this problem is far more complex and dangerous than anyone (still) wants to admit.

The Euro problem clearly appears to be spreading.  The plummeting Euro will certainly impact trade in China and the USA.   The austerity measures in Europe will almost certainly drive parts of the EU into recession.  It’s now clear that no bailout will solve what is an inherently flawed currency system.  There is truly no good answer that comes of this and there is very real potential for defections and defaults from the Euro.  This weekend’s news from the G20 shows that dissention is on the rise – NOT a good sign.

The problems in Europe are fundamental to the currency system.  Just like the gold standard and single currency systems before it we are discovering that it simply does not work.  This time is not different.  I still believe the end game in the European currency crisis is a (partial) break-up of the Euro or full unity.  Unfortunately, full unity would require one rule of law, one treasury and one central bank all operating under the same umbrella – in essence a United States of Europe.  I believe thousands of years of negative history make that impossible.  The more likely scenario is a partial break-up where the smaller PIIGS nations defect, default and bring back their own currencies.  Unfortunately, the European politicians have entire careers invested in the Euro and letting it fail is simply not an option.  That likely means these problems will be drawn out until something (horrible) forces their hands.

Meanwhile, the problems outside of Europe appear to be mounting. The private sector in the United States remains indebted and fragile.  Friday’s job’s report was truly abysmal for an economy that is supposedly recovering.  Housing prices appear to be rolling over.  China is slowing down.  Copper prices are plunging.  Lumber prices are plunging.  Leading indicators are literally tanking.  Deflation is clearly returning.  Our leaders appear truly clueless (and the public is realizing this).  Public sentiment is horribly negative towards the stock market.  And the worst apart in all of this is that the analysts have been increasing their estimates over the last few months.

So the question remains – is this sell-off different from all the ones we have seen since March 2009?  I believe so.  The one primary differentiating factor between this sell-off and every sell-off since the March 2009 bottom is the action in the credit markets.  We have not seen significant widening of credit spreads and deterioration throughout the entirety of the 60% rally.  This is a clear symbol of a fundamental change and an increasing fear of significant bank balance sheet deterioration.  I never believed the credit crisis was over and have maintained that we are in a secular bear market that is unlikely to end before 2012.   The credit crisis is clearly re-emerging and we are beginning to see market action that is eerily similar to 2008 when we saw a series of hiccups that preceded the final crescendo.  The action in short-term funding markets never lies and investors would be wise to take notice that this sell-off does in fact have some differentiating characteristics to it.

This looks more and more like a bear market every day and the dominoes are certainly lining up in a way that this could turn out to be worse than your average bear….I hate to sound like such a doom and gloomer (trust me, the life of a money manager is much easier in a secular bull market!), but no amount of government spending will solve the inherent flaws in the Euro or paper over the problems in the private sector.   Governments and citizens have become convinced that we won’t have to pay the piper for creating flawed currency systems and taking on far too much debt.  They believe they can bail everyone out at every twist and turn.  I think we’re going to find that to be false in the coming months and years.

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  • the_feds_corrupt

    People forget that China was buying commodities like wild last year.
    In fact China increased a lot of raw materials purchases last year.
    Not so this year . Obviously the reduction of Chinese demand is having a bad effect on the world economy.

  • buckstar

    Great post!

    As far as repairing private balance sheets, it seems that outsourcing/global wage arbitrage will make it hugely difficult to add jobs in the US in any meaningful way. This seems like the fundamental problem going forward for the US of A…. what say you TPC?

    • TPC

      There’s much deleveraging to be done yet. The private sector remains the key here. I don’t see sustainable recovery until the private sector recovers and I just can’t see that happening until 2012 or after. There is just too much debt in the system still. Unfortunately, government isn’t doing much to help the whole situation with its persistent bailouts and austerity measures. The Euro is a whole other story. It’s a total disaster.

  • Cabaret Voltaire

    The problem is that we are very near to a bull rally, but also very near to a catastrophic event. Nobody expected disaster on 9/10.

    The market needs to find that new low level that excites buyers. After the plunge, we will climb again. I am waiting for 6/23 to start buying.

    • MS

      why 6/23 is so significant?

    • TPC

      Sure, there will be ups and downs. The market never goes down in a straight line, but I don’t expect us to see new highs any time soon.

      • Cabaret Voltaire

        Alright, I’ve changed my mind. Because the stocks didn’t collapse I have now decided to stay short instead of reversing this week. That Kyron Horman kidnapping story is a downer, plus the summer solstice is an exit. I think traders are ready to pull the rug out from under the market this week. I’ll probably be staying short until some Democrats can get de-elected later this year.

  • I don’t think we will head for a major crash like the Sept 2008 Lehman crash however the chances of a sharp upside are also very low.We are going to meander here for quite a while as the March 2009 rally seems to heading to an end.Europe was always going to be an anaemic global cog,however China’s slowdown is what has caught the consensus on the wrong foot http://bit.ly/dnpa7I

  • jt26

    Agree, credit and USD demand is a modest negative (so far). But, I actually find it somewhat positive (longish term) for the US economy that the savings rate has gone from negative to +2-3%, this indicates that there is underlying resiliency after a few hard years. People who have never lived through the big prior recessions may have lost some perspective (98,01 doesn’t count) (although, of course I can be accused of that by not having lived through the Depression!) The huge negative is currency volatility. Although, I haven’t crunched the numbers, the volatility between top 6 crosses has never seemed larger than the last 3 years. I have never seen such 1-2% moves daily on no news (let alone the days with news). This is telling.

    • John Mc

      How is the savings rate calculated? I’ve been hearing this for a while and have my doubts about it. Admittedly, my doubts are based on instinct and personal observations, so I won’t claim any empirical support, but something about referencing an increased savings rate as a positive doesn’t sound right, IMHO.

      • jt26

        I just get the numbers from Calculated Risk, who gets them from the Fed, but honestly, I just parrot the numbers. But, the one thing that is striking is that in Japan’s lost decade(s), their savings rate declined and continue to decline. I’m speculating that (in Japan), along with the flat consumer spending, it indicates serious distress in the consumer economy (along with demographics). Historically, there has always been a debate on savings rates (some say high is good, because it furnishes cheap investment capital for domestic consumption; others claim, bad, because it is subtracting from potential consumer spending). The fact it is/was increasing means consumers are trying to delever, which is one way to get out of debt deflation. To me this indicates resilency. Also, household net worth is still ~350% of GDP (ex public debt), and has’t changed much in 30 years, even with all the additional mortgage debt. But unfornately, none of this will help the markets in the next 1-1.5 years. We had 5 years of above trend growth and now the piper has to be repaid.

  • BK

    TPC,
    Unfortunately – I agree with you. A great note.

    What is even more unfortunate right now is just how many people are ignoring many of the risks you have highlighted.

    The fact they are all lining up almost simultaneously combined with investor apathy and ignorance could make it even more damaging.

  • AWF

    Some will say the “Market” climbs a “Wall of Worry”–that happens after a correction and the change from “Bear” to “Bull”–We have allready made that turn in March 2009-

    Based on the TPC-recap above–the “Macro Fundamentals” do not support the current market price–(S&P500)-

    What is worse — the “Future Fundamentals” look even worse–the economy should be growing 16 months after the low–Its NOT.

    That said I would look to statements from the FED alchemist on new solutions.

    “Alice” might wake up and find this was just a dream–were not in “Wonderland”

  • David

    So since everyone agrees with TPC’s gloomish outlook. I am curious to know what everyone thinks how deep this market will fall? TPC, what you think?

    • TPC

      Well, I don’t really do price targets, but I’ve pegged the EUR at $1.165 or so. The market could also find some support near the -20% level which is about the 1,000 level.

      If we see EUR $1.17 or so coincide with a further 7% decline we could get a bounce. This earnings season will be interesting. I still expect good earnings, but commentary is going to be far more cautious so we could see lots of beats with tepid guidance. Stocks won’t like that.

      • David

        that’s only 6% downside from here…doesn’t sound that bearish as your comments would suggest.
        Earnings season will be irrelevant. Q2 reports will continue to beat and some CEOs will reiterate guidance or remain cautious as in the past. But market won’t care.

        • TPC

          As I said above, the market won’t just tank in a straight line….I’m envisioning a zig zag lower….Where do we ultimately bottom – I have no idea. I have never believed markets discount much more than 1 quarter in advance so I won’t sit here and try to pretend that I know where the stock market will be in a year….

          • David

            I am not looking for a forecast. I am trying to find out at what level you see value in the market and would own stock not for a technical rebound but because of fundamental reasons.

      • @ TPC: Great post as always.

        Then why did Mosler call for the Euro to head to $1.65 recently?

        I found that really confusing.

        Also: you said: “Governments and citizens have become convinced that we won’t have to pay the piper for creating flawed currency systems and taking on far too much debt. They believe they can bail everyone out at every twist and turn. I think we’re going to find that to be false in the coming months and years.”

        What are the ramifications here in the US w/ our “debt” getting very high? Yes, I know, it is NOT debt in the usual terms (what should our word be for that – let’s create a new one!). And yes, I know, we can’t go bankrupt being not only the sovereign monopoly owner of our currency and the “debit/credit” exercise `tween the Trsy & Fed, but also that our currency is the world reserve currency. But what might happen when the pseudo-debt gets very high? What possible scenarios play out?

        Thanks again for all of your help. Reason I ask this is that I got COFFEE’s report on MMT that W. Mosler co-authored w/ Bilbo (Billyblog). The title is a real-attention getter. “There is no level of debt that a country can’t withstand” or something like that. Once I finish up the currency papers (oh, and I read your vertical/horizantal paper as well, should only take about 3 more times!), I want to tackle it.

        • prescient11

          The Euro going to $1.65 will cause a depression of epic proportions in Europe.

          I pray that will not happen.

          Realistically, a cheap currency will be the only way that the EU gets back on its feet. Rein in the crazy entitlements and get back to producing goods.

          In other words, get off your ass and get to work. Longer hours, days, and be productive. Krauts will lead the way hopefully.

        • TPC

          Great question. He said to me in an email that he would not buy EUR/USD here.

          The bogey in the US is inflation.

          A very high deficit could be inflationary, but the private sector is so weak that we continue to see nothing but deflation. Unfortunately, the deficit spending has been poorly targeted, inefficiently spent and is not providing the boost that $1T could have had. Now we’re all convinced that the only way to deal with the debt is thru fiscal austerity. It’s a mess.

      • Doh! Here it is: (why did I think Mosler co-authored this???) Sorry!!

        Working Paper No. 08-10
        There is no financial crisis so deep that cannot be dealt with by public
        spending
        James Juniper and William Mitchell1
        November 2008
        [Revised November 2008]
        Centre of Full Employment and Equity
        The University of Newcastle, Callaghan NSW 2308, Australia
        Home Page: http://e1.newcastle.edu.au/coffee
        Email: coffee@newcastle.edu.au

    • David

      We have started a major downtrend.

  • prescient11

    Great post TPC.

    Here’s how I see it playing out. Germany’s economy will THRIVE as the Euro drops, and Germany will play the “Euro IMF” sending money to the PIIGS to bail them out. Germany will become the new master of the EU through benevolence…

    Sometimes the export is truly greater than the sword. Germany will support the debt and the anemic growth in the next year or two out of the box.

    China and the US will have targeted stimulus that hopefully should ease the continued deleveraging in the private sector. Hopefully that will do the trick.

    China should be scared the most. In the Depression, the USA – creditor nation, was most hurt by all the defaults. China does not want to be in the same position!!!

    Just my two cents.

  • quark

    We are repairing public and consumer balance sheets which constrains growth as cash flow that could be used to build future productivity is instead used to pay off old debts and in this case old debts that created little future productivity…welcome to Supply Side Economics.

    We can slowly grow ourselves out of this but historic sub-normal returns must be accepted. We are vulnerable to shocks that can wipe out consumer confidence overnight, erase jobs and put us into a depression. We’ve collectively placed the economies of the world in the ER by spreading extreme debt levels simultaneously across the globe.

  • FXbot

    I love your macro market thoughts. Concise, complete and almost always correct. Thanks TPC.

  • The uptrend since March 2009 was a bear market rally contained within a much larger downtrend that started in 2000.

    According to my indicators the March 2009 lows will not hold.

  • B Ferro

    Smart thoughts…

  • Michael Covel

    Wise.

  • prescient11

    The March 2009 lows will not hold.

    That will be an interesting test indeed.

    I don’t think people appreciate that a significant amount of deleveraging already has taken place, and continues to take place at a violent rate in the private sector.

    The last 150 points on the snp “crash” in early 2009 can be attributed to hedge fund liquidation – pure and simple.

    Primary dealers are not letting the fundies get that leveraged again. It’s a fact. Talk to anyone in the biz.

    Prechter and all these morons saying snp 400 have no idea what they’re talking about, imho.

  • prescient11

    And let me say one more thing in defense of BB – HE IS DOING WHAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

    The Fed was created to BAIL OUT BANKS and make sure the system didn’t collapse.

    It was supposed to take the place of JP Morgan in the early 20th century. But Congress has given it this goofy interest rate mandate, etc., etc. It is the government’s damn fault and the SEC/CFTC who couldn’t regulate my left testicle.

    The Fed is actually right on and I applaud his actions, for they were both necessary and appropriate. Honestly, what other alternatives are out there right now. Even with Keynes, the point is that when times are good THAT IS WHEN THE MONEY SUPPLY NEEDS TO BE REINED IN A BIT. Soft landings and soft hitting the ceiling. That’s the goal, and a steady march of growth upward.

    I just refinanced my mortgage for a second time under 5%. I am very glad to do so. This is a direct stimulus to all Americans and will have an effect. Of course, the flipside of the coin is that savers get hit because CDs, etc., are yielding very low rates, but those who normally would make $50k on a CD are not the people whose balance sheets need repair.

    It’s always easy to trash BB, and his forecasts on where the economy is headed have been awful, but I think he understands more than people think what needs to be done and what the options are from his limited position of power. And also for his comments on the economy, he is a MARKET ACTOR, of course he is going to try and instill confidence. What do you think he is going to say, the housing market is about to frigging crash, everybody just watch out!!

    If regulators had any sense, they would simply heighten or loosen capital ratios at banks depending on how overheated or underheated things were.

    • boatman

      QE a necessary thing no doubt, presc……..throwing TPC notes out the window a good thing right now.

      but its just like alcohol and being young, something i know alot about………nobody’s gonna be sober enough to stop drinking before they pass out.

      with QE, its never been done………this is just an observation on human behavior for the best investment position.

      ben will overshoot due to political pressure(ya think?) and/or QE inebriation.

      • prescient11

        Hey boatman, I do enjoy your comments on here and it’s nice to see TPC pick up some regulars.

        QE has been tried forever though, don’t be fooled. Romans removed the amount of silver in the coinage, etc., etc.

        People think debt needs to be “restructured”. Well, usually that means not paid.

        But when you’re the bank, you get to print or keycode the entry of money flows.

        Long term, the key is political demand to force austerity once the private sector is nursing itself back to health. That’s a tricky picture. In good times, the spending was way out of control.

        That’s why so many people are fed up with all politicians. cause Bush expanded medicare to allow deficits to go exponential. of course, extended benefits for seniors are what the dems should be cheering for. Except, cause it was Bushie, they say see, he’s just as bad. However, now the dems want to expand it to EVERYONE, not just the old folks, and they say that is going to SAVE us money.

        and I have a bridge for sale. Hopefully there is a revolution that doesn’t completely upset everything, but throws enough of the bums out to make obama a lame duck for his remaining two years.

        • boatman

          i feel really wierd supporting QE….its like starting a fire with gasoline….something i do regularly,actually, camping on islands and fishing alot…..but u can safely do it….

          ben ain’t me tho……..lotsa people with hands on his throat…..only one that’s got me is my boxer dog…..

          i’m listening, presc…….i’m with you more than u think

  • billw

    TPC,

    Welcome back to reality! As I have said before, when you take the time to read Steve Keen’s Debtwatch No. 34 on his website you will have a better understanding of where we truly are and where we are going. John Mauldin nailed it with his article last week which I read on your site ( I have always considered your site to be in the top 5 for real information). You are now in the same camp that Damer and Rogers have been in for some time. The endgame is now in play , but it will drag on for years in all likelihood. Obama and his group pandering to the 1% of tree huggers is going to guarantee a double dip in the next 3-4 months. By stopping all drilling in the gulf he has guaranteed a loss of probably 400,000 total jobs that are related. We can not afford a president that cares so little about “his” country that he is carrying on a war against businesses during a recession.

    • TPC

      Keen is good, but he doesn’t really differentiate between public sector and private sector debt. That is te key to understanding this recession (unless we’re talking about the EMU in which public sector debt matters enormously).

      These are key components in understanding the current market environment. Keen thinks his own country is going bankrupt. It’s absurd. The fiscal austerity measures around the globe have the potential to make things very very ugly. And it will convince people that the Euro can work – which is absolutely wrong. It cannot work and it will never work. This really has the potential to get terribly ugly.

  • RSDallas

    I hate to say it, but I think he is under estimating the correction or bear market. We have been in a bear market since 1999 and it was propped up by Uncle Sam and now it will morph into a depression. You know I am growing ever more disgusted with all of the decisions coming from Greenspan and his goons, even early in his career. Is it possible to try him for war crimes? I mean the devastation that he caused America and American families is truly a catastrophic event.

    Anyway, back to today. Unfortunately grizzly Rosie is making a mild prediction. The Fed will not be able to stand in the way of the needed debt destruction in this next round of the fight. The bond market is way larger and fiercer than the equity market and they are beginning to whisper in everyone’s ear that they are heading for the exit doors.

    I predict that the markets will remain in a bear market until the following occurs:

    1. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the National pension plan and now Obama Care go through massive restructures (hopefully Obama Care is found un-constitutional) and the government proves to the bond market that the entitlement programs will be back in balance within a 10 to 15 year period.
    2. The consumer and business debt levels fall back to levels seen in 1995 either through default or by being paid off.
    3. +-90% The US municipalities and States project a budget surplus.
    4. Obama does not get re-elected and instead an Independent (or at least someone who is perceived as being an independent) is voted into office.

    We will have main street media helping to craft many rallies in the interim period, but over a 20 year period it will be miserably down if the aforementioned are not addressed.

    Personally, I have serious doubts it can be done. I think we’ll all be discussing what it means to be on an International currency system within 5 years from now if not sooner. Why an International Currency? Because a single currency is the only way a ponzi can keep going.

    • TPC

      We’ve tried a single currency system. It’s called the gold standard and in a world of international trade it doesn’t work. If anything, in 5 years we’ll see the end of the Euro and MORE currencies.

      • RSDallas

        I’m not sure about that. The gold system would have worked and could have been tweeked to work, but the government would not have been able to borrow like a bunch of drunken soldiers. There never has been a single fiat currency system.

        Actually, upon further thought, there will probably be the first modern day US coup d’état if it gets to that point.

        • TPC

          It was tweaked to a convertible currency system. That didn’t work either. A single currency system requires one central bank, one treasury and one rule of law. We’re seeing fail in Europe as we speak. Single currency systems do not work (as it does in the USA) without full unity. It could work theoretically, but would require basically one global country. Not happening in our lifetimes.

          • RSDallas

            I agree on the 1 global country point. Still not convinced on the gold issue. Well something is going to have to give in the not to distant future. Maybe the currency stays in tact due to a lack of alternatives. I know one thing. The developed countries and especially the US have already boarded a time machine and are currently headed back in time. Now, who really knows where we will end up? Someone used the term “GREAT RE-SET”. Maybe it was you, I can’t remember. But that’s about as good of a description that I have ever heard. I just hope it doesn’t take 10 or 20 years to get there.

            • prescient11

              TPC,

              Hold on there fella, I think most people are realizing that gold never stopped being a currency system. In other words, gold is money. I have a sneaking suspicion that we might see some crazy upward movements in gold, not really because it is so valuable, but because a lot of people’s “positions” are established in the paper rather than in the physical. And the paper (notes, ETFs, etc.) are leveraged almost 100 to 1. Meaning that if everyone actually called their notes, they are screwed 100 times over. Look at the premium PHYS gets. What a wonderful instrument, guaranteed delivery of gold, the actual physical gold. And they perform the necessary tests on it to ensure its purity!!! That’s the best perk imho, because even the bullion banks likely have some tungsten or other counterfeits in there.

              But you are correct it does not work in the current global currency standard/monetary system.

              However, have you ever thought of a hybrid, which is where gold was backing all the fiat paper money, but that this standard was set to match the amount of money in circulation of a various country. Thus, instead of these goofy fx pairings, one could simply look up how the market was pricing gold in currency. And this would remain flexible to allow the additional printing of money every year per the government’s policies/perogatives.

              Best.

              • TPC

                Prescient,

                I am not bearish gold. I fully recognize that the Euro’s demise has the potential to set gold on fire. But I’ll tell you what I think will happen in that case:

                Euro starts to collapse. Gold prices soar. Central banks clamor to increase gold reserves as they worry over paper money. The PIIGS bring back their former currencies. Gold continues to soar. Meanwhile, deflation is setting in all around the globe. When the Euro is finally replaced in several PIIGS nations the whole world panics, gold prices bubble up, the dollar is soaring, bond yields are tanking, etc. And then everyone realizes that paper money isn’t going away, all these countries are bringing back their old fiat systems, there is no inflation and gold collapses 70%+.

                • Iluvatar

                  Yes, but not before you play the system and sell.

                  And therein lies the key; when to sell?

                  Typically, you hold gold or other metals for 20 years +. And that is fine.

                  But now a lot of us are looking at the Gold/Silver ratio and thinking we should do otherwise! (It is over 60 now!)

                  There is a lot of cowboys sittin’ on the fence gettin’ ready to be hungry!

                  What worries me, are the already announced manipulations of the Gold & Silver markets that has already occurred. The stories have been slowly leaked out to the street! I believe that their price manipulations are real!

                  But, I don’t think they will be able to fight investor fear! My 2 cents worth!

                • prescient11

                  I guess what I am thinking is a less drastic approach. Germany has a vested interest in seeing the Euro continue. This will lead to the debasement we want to occur. Germany will become very strong through this and will float the PIIGS for some time. We shall see how that plays out, but I think that is the most likely outcome.

                  Uncertainty about what countries will do will lead the drive to gold.

                  Again, I think that gold, stocks and interest rates will eventually rise.

                • RSDallas

                  I think bond yields fool everybody and don’t collapse until the smoke clears. A 30 year mortgage touches 2%.

            • Andrew P

              There won’t be a single global country until victory in World War III establishes who will rule the earth forever, and the victors create the new world order. But a single european country could happen very soon. The possibility of a hanging always concentrates the mind, and as the Europeans near the precipice, they will do what they have to do. They may wait until the very last minute, but they will do it. They will restore The Office of the Caesar.

  • James

    I read through all these comments and not one person is bullish. Not one. It will be interesting if we indeed do crash when everyone is saying we will.

  • ts

    Nobody knows whether this is a bear market or a correction. But what I learned is that it is never wise to fit his facts to his theories. The market will tell. I just follow the market.

  • In Banking

    Good comments TPC. Agreed on most fronts.

    I just like to point out that complacency can go on both sides of the Vol curve; we can be complacent to risk as much as we can be complacent to reward. Given the number of unemployed and lack of good jobs, one could make an argument that perhaps some great minds are working in an academic/research capacity and potentially bring forth some real innovation: cold fusion, quantum computing, hydrogen extraction, etc. Any one of these could change the face of US industry.

    Of course, I’m not betting any actual cash on this outlook, but one must have hope for a better future if they want to survive.

    • TPC

      Banker,

      I totally agree. I am very bullish on America over the long-term. I just think we need to get through this workout period. The private sector has to work off this debt and position itself for the next great period of innovation and prosperity. Good will come of this. In the near-term, however, we could be due to take some lumps.

      • In Banking

        I’m also very bullish on long term US (and apparently so it the rest of the world). But, there are some real artificial headwinds that bother me though. The Fed recently dropping hints of rate increases is scary. Entitlement programs lead to apathy and complacency like never before. And of course, it seems to be quite obvious that our political leaders are unwilling to even address the fact that we’re in a precarious situation – isn’t the first step of Alcoholics Anonymous supposed to be accepting that you have a problem? It seems like all of these are simply extending the pain period longer.

        Hopefully we have a lot of eager people – young and old – who now have no choice but to explore new frontiers and return the US back to its roots in terms of industrial strength and innovation. I can’t think of a better environment for this to happen. But the lumps are big and the backlash is severe. People are concentrating on how they’ve been wronged rather than how they must now re-wire their minds to survive. It’s scary to think about how bad things may have to get before we all realize no one is going to swoop in and save us.

        FYI, the jobs in my sector are undergoing a fairly large inflationary pressure as companies are unwilling to hire unproven talent and many disenchanted employees are looking to move on. If this is foreshadowing trend for other industries, it’s not a good sign…

  • David

    Great post. I tend to agree. What is your take on the BP Deepwater Horizon situation as it pertains to our country’s energy policy over next 5 years? Could this be waterloo for big oil? Seems plug-in hybrids are just close enough that if the gov gave them another subsidy bump via some punitive tax on big oil we could be all be driving a PHV in next 12-18 months…

  • Barrett

    I agree with your directional view.

    If anything, it understates the downside risk.

    The 3,000 pound elephant is sovereign debt – not just in Europe, but in Japan and the US.

    Take the US. The CBO places the total debt (direct and unfunded) at $46 trillion while the Dallas Fed put the total obligation at $103 trillion. Total federal revenues are $2.1 to $2.5 trillion. Now that’s leverage. Importantly, much of these obligations are indexed to inflation.

    The private sector can do all of the right things in terms of balance sheet repair and it will not matter.

    Tell me how the market will go up in the context of the following:

    1) 3% GDP growth is a mirage when placed in the context of deficit spending of 11% of GDP ($3 trillion and counting). This is simply demand pulled forward. If the stimulus worked, GDP would be growing faster than debt. Leverage has simply shifted from the private sector to the public sector. This is unsustainable.

    2) Taxes are about to ramp up dramatically taking whatever disposable income is left from the majority.

    3) Productivity gains are helping short-term profits, but incomes are not keeping pace with unit level production leaving more people with less purchasing power. This is also not good for private sector demand.

    4) Big government is suffocating the economy. The government owns or controls the mortgage market (i.e. think Fannie, Freddie and the Fed), the banks (i.e. think TARP), most of the domestic automobile business (e.g. GM and Chrysler) and has just taken over 16% of the economy with ObamaCare. Big government and big business are joined in an unholy alliance of crony capitalism. Too Big To Fail is game of bail out you pals in return for campaign contributions and employment after government – all at the expense of small business, incremental jobs and wealth creation opportunities for the general population.

    5) Financials are making profits on unsustainable free money. Yes, the Fed is trying to recapitalize the banking system – albeit at great expense to the real economy.

    6) Housing prices face headwinds for the foreseeable future. Foreclosures are at record levels. The job market is weak and real estate prices are ultimately correlated to incomes. State and local government finances are in such a mess that property taxes are almost certain to rise. Higher taxes reduce home prices. Any increase in interest rates will also reduce housing prices.

    Simply put, the math doesn’t work.

    Of course, this could go on for a long-time. I expect the market to be a meatgrinder and painful for most. None of the policy actions are creating wealth. It is just keeping the ball in the air.

    • TPCBIGGESTFAN

      “The 3,000 pound elephant is sovereign debt – not just in Europe, but in Japan and the US.”

      What debt?