BUFFETT’S FAVORITE VALUATION METRIC: STOCKS ARE MODESTLY EXPENSIVE
Warren Buffett was famously bearish in the late 90′s and has happened to be very bullish at some of the most opportune moments to be buying equities. The world’s most famous investor claims to have no market timing ability, but still manages to make remarkable deals when stocks are severely depressed. His latest ventures into Burlington Northern and Goldman Sachs are two notable crisis purchases that, in retrospect, appear like remarkable cases of market timing.
In a famous Fortune magazine article in 2001 Buffett disclosed his favorite market valuation metric and showed why he was bearish in the late 90′s and bullish at the time of this writing (which proved prescient again):
“On a macro basis, quantification doesn’t have to be complicated at all. Below is a chart, starting almost 80 years ago and really quite fundamental in what it says. The chart shows the market value of all publicly traded securities as a percentage of the country’s business– that is, as a percentage of GNP. The ratio has certain limitations in telling you what you need to know. Still, it is probably the best single measure of where valuations stand at any given moment. And as you can see, nearly two years ago the ratio rose to an unprecedented level. That should have been a very strong warning signal.
For investors to gain wealth at a rate that exceeds the growth of U.S. business, the percentage relationship line on the chart must keep going up and up. If GNP is going to grow 5% a year and you want market values to go up 10%, then you need to have the line go straight off the top of the chart. That won’t happen.”
Buffett elaborated on the index explaining that stocks were cheap when the ratio declines to 70%-80%:
“For me, the message of that chart is this: If the percentage relationship falls to the 70% or 80% area, buying stocks is likely to work very well for you. If the ratio approaches 200%–as it did in 1999 and a part of 2000– you are playing with fire.”
The latest recession also shows why Buffett might have been making such bold calls in the latter portion of 2008 and in 2009. The ratio had declined to the desired 70%-80% that Buffett described in 2001. Since then it has skyrocketed higher and now sits at the 105% level – just slightly overvalued. Of course, as we saw in the late 90′s and during the housing boom valuations can become extremely stretched, however, the lesson from past occurrences is that future risk adjusted returns tend to be poor when the ratio is at such levels.
Following the 100% reading in 1997 you experienced 3 extraordinary years in the market before the Nasdaq bubble collapsed and valuations tanked. Ultimately, over the ensuing 10 years your average annual return equaled +5.31%. If you held until today you averaged +2.31% per year. Since crossing the 100% mark in 2006 the S&P 500 has returned an average -1.53%. Of course, while long-term returns have been less than stellar, both the 2006 period and the 1997 period show that markets can become severely overvalued before correcting. This likely means that long-term returns are likely to be below average for investors who are currently buying, however, speculative fever could reward these investors in the near-term.







This is also consistent with the Hussman analysis of future returns. Hussman followers would have been buying hand over fist when Buffet was, but the environment has now changed dramatically:
http://pragcap.com/are-you-ready-for-equity-returns-of-0-07
Hussman’s followers were NOT buying hand over fist in March 2009.
He has been bearish throughout this rally and has missed the entire move. He has missed one of the strongest bull market in decades!
Hussman is still bearish and he was also bearish throughout the mid and late 90s.
The ONLY way to make money is by following the trend and getting out when warning signs emerge.
I suspect that the US stock market rally will take the s&p back to 1,500-1,550 within 2-3 years and then, we will get the next big correction/bear market.
That would have been up to the reader really. Hussman said stocks would return 10%/year in the coming 10 years on average. Little did we know it would all come in one year….
How much money did Hussman fund (HSGFX) loose in 2008? Please look at long term risk adjusted returns before making statements like… “ONLY” way to make money…
TPC: great data points. The remaining factors are in the interview you’re linking to = long term interest rates were at peak in 1981, and the government had been fighting inflation for 15 years. As rates went down, valuations went up and psychology followed (so did leverage, too). The difference with today is that we may be about to see inflation go up, for the right or wrong reasons, and if this happens it’s hard to see PE ratios stay where they are. LT rates will need to go up to keep prices under control, and Bob Shiller showed the inverse relationship bringing PE ratios down.
One question that comes to mind when reading the 80% level theory is, it works when looking at the last 2 decades, but prior to that it was the higher end of the range. (and hence the relationship to LT rates)
Stability in the inflation rate is a key driver of P/E….psychology is is also a driver however I would argue that the future expectations for inflation rate direction drives psychology to a large extent. Some good historical data on inflation and P/E here.
Regarding the 80% level….it should be kept in mind the changing % of companies publicly listed. As this % rises, without any change in the valuation level, the Buffet metric would increase.
Buffett uses the Wilshire 5,000 so that’s not necessarily true.
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification on the index used.
What, then is driving the market to GNP rate up? For example, the expansion in the P/E multiple from ’47 to ’04 was ~ 2.5x (11 to 28)while the market to GNP increased by ~ 3.4x (~25% to ~85%). Assuming earning grew at the same rate as GNP, which from my understanding this should hold fairly constant over the long-run, what is driving the discrepancy?
Isn’t this all a reflection of more investor participation? More public companies and more dollars invested in the stock market?
One issue is that the assumption that earnings grow as fast a GDP is false. Earnings, or real dividend growth, has grown between 1-1.2% per annum, which is less than half the rate of GDP growth.
Buffett’s companies have received 10′s of billions in bailout money. Retail investors have no such protection and should be very cautious about any investment in stocks given the (corrupt) regulatory, legal, judicial, and legislative situation in this country.
The U.S. stockmarket would have considerable earnings from overseas.
Whilst the GNP is a domestic based measure.
Is this datamining?
Could be. Who’s to say this will ever work in the future?
Maybe this has nothing to do with valuations. Maybe when a government does not protect its currency, fear sets in, and people flock to harder assets… gold, commodities, and even equities. With all that interference, how can anyone tell what’s going on in the real economy? Maybe that’s why Buffet is bullish on stocks.
If one overlays that chart with 10yr Tsy Yields, you will find that 2008 was the cheapest point in the last 50 years to buy equities.
The early 80s were cheap, but then when you could get 15% in Tsys it was a much harder decision.
In any case…
Basing investment decisions off the above requires some faith in the ability of GDP to stabilise / avoid collapsing or even just trending lower for 20-30 years in a slow drift towards zero (Japan). Graphs like the above were quite often cited in March 2008 etc, yet many believed GDP was just about to collapse so it didnt matter…
I suspect Warren Buffet believes that the FED will always have the ability to keep GDP on the right path overtime. That’s the risk one takes in making decisions based off such a simplistic chart though. You are betting its basically business as usual GDP wise going forward.
We are in unchartered waters in many ways, as debt levels are so much different to where they were in the past.
If the ratio hits the lows again with a dollar crisis, China’s economy imploding, unemployment close to 20% and default rates at new highs…it would be very brave to buy the market at the point in the hope the FED will gets GDP back to normal..just because they always have in the past. Some day they may fail.
GDP, the Money Supply and the stock Market cannot outgrow US earnings and US competitiveness forever. They have managed to for a long time, but that period was puncuated with ever growing debt levels, supplementing peoples incomes. We may have just hit the limit in our ability to borrow from the future though?!?
Some day, this graph will fail as a stock market timing device!
Probably true.
Buffet’s strategy is very very simple, he doesn’t do much math when he invests, here are two things he believes and does accordingly:
1) Capitalism works
2) Buy simple (coke, Gillet etc) good company at bad times
That’s all, folks, Buffet is a strikingly simple guy, his success based entirely on these 2 tenets.
The question people now have is whether 1) is valid, a lot of people see capitalism as a dying system. Buffet seems to realize that as well, he is lately putting more energy on China. Soros is in China too, by the way. Now you see the picture.
Buffet also says “don’t worry about the economy”, which a lot of people here don’t follow. Buffet is simple, his success is entirely based on his simplicity and his belief in capitalism. If he is right again this time, bears are committing suicide I guess.
I used to dismiss his strategy, now I changed my mind. Believe me, I have a deep understanding of Buffet, I think he is probably right.
I also thought like you about Buffet. But now I think he is an Establishment guy / insider, who is quite smart to foll common people to think like you, so that nobody questions his personal bailouts.
The only reason he has not failed is not because “capitalsim works”, but because cronyism works.
I was not saying he is a noble guy, far from that, I was saying his strategy worked for him. Remember he started from small, he wasn’t a big guy at the beginning, so it’s not right to say his success is because of cronyism. He is hypocritical, but that’s not what I was talking about.
He’s no different from your average Wall Streeter. He just happens to live in Nebraska and eat hamburgers.
Buffett’s operation is actually MUCH more complex than you’re making it out to be. He was the first true activist investor. He is also basically running a covered call writing strategy via the insurance arm. And none of this accounts for his complex debt portfolios and derivatives positions. Buffett’s equity stakes in the companies that made him famous are actually a fairly small % of Berkshire.
“His latest ventures into Burlington Northern and Goldman Sachs are two notable crisis purchases that, in retrospect, appear like remarkable cases of market timing.”
Are you kidding us yet again?
Goldman was teetering on the verge of bankruptcy when he made that sweetheart deal purchasing preferred and warrants both of which have 0 standing in bankruptcy his reasoning “duuuh I thought they would be bailed out”…….not thought, KNEW!!!
You think Buffett is going to bet billions of dollars, all or nothing, on “duuuuh maybe the government will bail them out?!!”
He KNEW, he’s an insider trader
I thought the government would bail them out too and maybe many other people thought so as well so could we buy?
Hell no, because we don’t KNOW and you need to KNOW to take a chance like that.
Andy, you know I agree with all of that. I am appalled by the fact that WB sent Hank Paulson a letter detailing what the govt should do and then Paulson turned around and implemented Buffett’s ideas. It’s sickening. But Buffett also had the guts to know that Goldman was going to make it. Lots of people said Goldman was too big too fail, but not everyone was willing to make a huge bet on it. It was a nice trade any way you cut it.
Those of us in the investment world who are savvy enough to have understood all the wheeling and dealing that went on behind closed doors have lost a huge amount of respect for Buffett. He would be a different person today without govt aid. You and I both know that, but that doesn’t automatically mean his life’s work is suddenly worthless.
What data source is being used for the chart?
One can find the nominal quarterly GNP/GDP figures on the Philadelphia Fed website and the quarterly figures for the market value of equities on the main Fed Reserve website. As of Q210, the quarterly GNP = $14.6B and the market value of equities = $11.5B. Ie, the market value of all equities is 79% of GNP as of Q210.
The last cyclical peak in the ratio of the market value of equities relative to GNP was Q307 when the market value of equities was $15.9B and GNP was $13.8B for a ratio of 1.15. So while I agree with the premise that risk/reward in the stock market can be assessed by blunt tools such as this ratio, as with all ratios it depends on the numbers that are being used.
Good premise but the chart is wrong according to the data from the Fed I found.
Sorry, but it’s not.
Wilshire 5000 close yesterday implies total market cap of 12.502 trillion. If the ratio is currently at 105% you must be saying GNP is currently 11.906 Trillion. I do not believe that is correct.
You are using the actual cap. Use the full cap. The actual cap is understated dramatically.
http://www.wilshire.com/Indexes/Broad/Wilshire5000/Characteristics.html
Thanks I understand the difference. But the Wilshire link gives that full market cap of 13.9 Trillion on 9/30/2010. If GNP on 4/1/2010 was 14.774 Trillion (somewhat bigger now, as is the 5000). But it still seems GNP would have to be lower than reported by the St. Louis Fed data to get the 105% you now chart. Just trying to reconstruct the numbers.
If you use the Wilshire 5000 Full market cap number of 13.9 Trillion on 9-30 as posted. What and where did you get the 9-30 GNP number so you could chart the data point.
The market is up since 9/30. GNP for this quarter is based on analyst consensus. Not exact, but close enough.
TO the people who think buffett is some kinda simple hill billy he isnt.
Nothing Buffett did was simple. Early on Buffett basically ran a hedge fund and bought undervalued stock. He usually chased stocks trading below working capital, high earnings yield,high free cash flow yield, and distressed stocks . After meeting Munger, Warren slowly started buying “Good companies”. Now everyone who follows Buffett thinks the way to prosperity is buying Coke and holding it for 400 years.
If buffett had a million bucks Coke or JNJ would be the last stocks he touched.
What no AIG?
No GM.BA?………….well maybe later when they emerge from bankruptcy
I guess Uncle Warrens new investment philosophy is to buy whichever companies you have ASSURANCES on that they will be bailed out whenever they fail, judging buy his young proteges portfolio.
http://www.businessinsider.com/todd-combs-history-investment-castle-point-2010-10
What a load of crap, I wouldn’t hire this guy to invest someone else’s money never mind my own, because guess what, Todd didn’t have any assurances like Warren did when he put this portfolio together but I guess after the proper introductions are made Todd can continue his pursuit of the All Bailout Portfolio with more even confidence …..with the proper assurances and guarantees in advance of course.
I agree with the comment about Buffet having insider knowledge. Let me buy a company during crap times that runs a good business.
Excellent idea.
Does everyone forget the insane manipulation that Buffet caused in the silver market.
The guy is “one of the club”. Pretty sad really.
Also, I don’t really denigrate that he brought himself up to an amazing position, but let’s call a spade a spade shall we. What’s the old saying, the first million is always the hardest…