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	<title>Comments on: THE EXPECTATION RATIO CONTINUES TO FORECAST STRONG EARNINGS</title>
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		<title>By: BGray</title>
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		<dc:creator>BGray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification.  Hindsight is like having a crystal ball, nobody has one.  I wish I too was fully invested and stayed invested all year.  

The trend on the ER is now descending but still above 1, which like you said would mean analysts are still lagging in their estimates tho not by as much.  But since the trend is down, would it portend a market that will rise higher in much smaller percentages?  I suppose even by common sense the market will not be rising another 50-70% from here. 10-15% more on S&amp;P is possible at least.  I like your ER.  Take that with Russell&#039;s PTI and we should do ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification.  Hindsight is like having a crystal ball, nobody has one.  I wish I too was fully invested and stayed invested all year.  </p>
<p>The trend on the ER is now descending but still above 1, which like you said would mean analysts are still lagging in their estimates tho not by as much.  But since the trend is down, would it portend a market that will rise higher in much smaller percentages?  I suppose even by common sense the market will not be rising another 50-70% from here. 10-15% more on S&amp;P is possible at least.  I like your ER.  Take that with Russell&#8217;s PTI and we should do ok.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/er-1-27/comment-page-1#comment-9784</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on earnings comparisons with P/Es at near record highs, if earnings were to recover to 2007 levels the Dow and S&amp;P would be at 25,000 and 3,000.  This may be possible if we have permanent 0% interest rates and 0% inflation, but the likelyhood of it happening is also 0%.

Given that we seem to have 50% permabulls expecting a V recovery mirroring 2003-2007 and 50% E-Wave expecting second 50% downleg.  The contrarian position seems to be that both will be wrong.

I agree with Louise Yamada and long term K Wave analysis that this is a secular bear market starting in 2000 following the 1929-1942 scenario.  This predicted the 2008 crash (aka 1937) and predicts a 12 mn plateau around Dow 10K to 11K before more downside.  Interestingly this also sets up a huge head&amp;shoulders for the Dow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on earnings comparisons with P/Es at near record highs, if earnings were to recover to 2007 levels the Dow and S&amp;P would be at 25,000 and 3,000.  This may be possible if we have permanent 0% interest rates and 0% inflation, but the likelyhood of it happening is also 0%.</p>
<p>Given that we seem to have 50% permabulls expecting a V recovery mirroring 2003-2007 and 50% E-Wave expecting second 50% downleg.  The contrarian position seems to be that both will be wrong.</p>
<p>I agree with Louise Yamada and long term K Wave analysis that this is a secular bear market starting in 2000 following the 1929-1942 scenario.  This predicted the 2008 crash (aka 1937) and predicts a 12 mn plateau around Dow 10K to 11K before more downside.  Interestingly this also sets up a huge head&amp;shoulders for the Dow.</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s not entirely clear.  This is how I view it:

The trend is very important, but readings above or below one are most important.  Any reading above 1 shows a positive change in the ratio meaning that analysts are still behind the curve. Vice versa for a reading below 1.  The trends in the ER, however, tend to be multi month or quarter moves so it&#039;s important not to ignore the trend.  For now, the figures remain robust, but analysts could easily begin to overshoot (get too bullish) in the coming quarters as the trend is showing a very quick change in analyst sentiment.  

The ER has been telling me not to short this market all year and it has been correct.  It would have been nice if I&#039;d had a bit more conviction in the indicator early this year (and been fully investor all year), but I think the extreme nature of this market and downturn made risk management and prudence the right call at the time.  Hindsight is always 20/20 though, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s not entirely clear.  This is how I view it:</p>
<p>The trend is very important, but readings above or below one are most important.  Any reading above 1 shows a positive change in the ratio meaning that analysts are still behind the curve. Vice versa for a reading below 1.  The trends in the ER, however, tend to be multi month or quarter moves so it&#8217;s important not to ignore the trend.  For now, the figures remain robust, but analysts could easily begin to overshoot (get too bullish) in the coming quarters as the trend is showing a very quick change in analyst sentiment.  </p>
<p>The ER has been telling me not to short this market all year and it has been correct.  It would have been nice if I&#8217;d had a bit more conviction in the indicator early this year (and been fully investor all year), but I think the extreme nature of this market and downturn made risk management and prudence the right call at the time.  Hindsight is always 20/20 though, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: BGray</title>
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		<dc:creator>BGray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TPC,

Please excuse me for asking what might appear to be the obvious.  How exactly should I read your ER chart?  Which numbers are considered negative or positive/ bullish/bearish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPC,</p>
<p>Please excuse me for asking what might appear to be the obvious.  How exactly should I read your ER chart?  Which numbers are considered negative or positive/ bullish/bearish?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi TPC, it would be nice that a date and time ba part of any post so confusion could be minimized. Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi TPC, it would be nice that a date and time ba part of any post so confusion could be minimized. Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing that out Rob.  Most of what you read every day is written the night before (this article for instance was written last night) so either my time machine is working overtime or it is pure coincidence.  I really try to keep it balance so thanks for pointing this out though.  I&#039;ll keep it in mind for future reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing that out Rob.  Most of what you read every day is written the night before (this article for instance was written last night) so either my time machine is working overtime or it is pure coincidence.  I really try to keep it balance so thanks for pointing this out though.  I&#8217;ll keep it in mind for future reference.</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to focus on the quarter as an individual event rather than using year over year comps - particularly considering how useless (unique) Q4 2008 is.  Sequential figures are much more useful in gauging the recovery in earnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to focus on the quarter as an individual event rather than using year over year comps &#8211; particularly considering how useless (unique) Q4 2008 is.  Sequential figures are much more useful in gauging the recovery in earnings.</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is why I turned cautious in mid-2007.  The ratio began turning negative at that time.  You can see a 3 year chart here:

http://pragcap.com/early-earnings-analysis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is why I turned cautious in mid-2007.  The ratio began turning negative at that time.  You can see a 3 year chart here:</p>
<p><a href="http://pragcap.com/early-earnings-analysis" rel="nofollow">http://pragcap.com/early-earnings-analysis</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TGP,

Please don&#039;t take offensive at this, but this site often seems to mirror the daily market action (trend) just like the MSM. The past couple of days when the market was down almost all the posts were bearish. Today with the future and now the market up, the posts so far are all more or less bullish.

I have always found it interesting that CNBC has Rosenberg, Pretcher, and other bears on when the markets are down. When the markets are up the bears are rarely to be seen. 

TGP is much more balanced, but on a day-by-day basis there appears to be a similar correlation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TGP,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take offensive at this, but this site often seems to mirror the daily market action (trend) just like the MSM. The past couple of days when the market was down almost all the posts were bearish. Today with the future and now the market up, the posts so far are all more or less bullish.</p>
<p>I have always found it interesting that CNBC has Rosenberg, Pretcher, and other bears on when the markets are down. When the markets are up the bears are rarely to be seen. </p>
<p>TGP is much more balanced, but on a day-by-day basis there appears to be a similar correlation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much do you think the easy comparison to the depressed earnings of Q4 2008 versus the current analyst expectations will play into moves in stocks in January and February? Which is more important? YoY or current analyst consensus in this unique sitution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much do you think the easy comparison to the depressed earnings of Q4 2008 versus the current analyst expectations will play into moves in stocks in January and February? Which is more important? YoY or current analyst consensus in this unique sitution?</p>
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