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		<title>By: ike tossia</title>
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		<dc:creator>ike tossia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>finaly a good back and forth debate, good to here market savy views. judging this market of stocks, it does not look or feel too good as far as buying here, unless you&#039;re buying protection...how can one be bullish at this point being realistic about the macro of the US economy, the upgrades left and right, the language of the media, specially the new line- &quot;would you buy it&quot; ? yes I would, sayd that two year old wet behind the ear when she asked about AA, this is a joke, that clwon and his tsunamis...never heard him pick a buy low or sell high for us, and if you trade heavy and listen to the guys down by the S&amp;P pit, you hear them laughing for the past two months, all those chrts, bands, 50 200 day averages, throw them away, they&#039;re about to kill you, they will always make you buy tops and short bottoms, specially now at this point most charts(line) are poining to the stars, how meny realy understand candle stick(charts), don&#039;t even want to go over all them numbers that keep on coming out from all kinds of back offices telling us its all good (m in good mood)...was a bull as it gets 11/08 on financials and commodities, 02,03/09 on everything else, had to wear ear plugs to not hear all them clowns advising sell, the world is over, EWZ, FXI, EWJ, RSX, EEM, and now the exact opposite, buy them now, come on, lol, have less then 10% left to sell, never thought we&#039;ll get so high so quick, what got better on main street&#039;s economy ? is small business getting better ? are they expanding-hiring ? too scared to ask if king dollar&#039;s about to get de-valued, I know wall street have nothing to do with main street, but not this time I don&#039;t think, looks like the fun&#039;s about to begin, I would totally oil up my keyboard&#039;s sell keys just in case, good luck to all, be careful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>finaly a good back and forth debate, good to here market savy views. judging this market of stocks, it does not look or feel too good as far as buying here, unless you&#8217;re buying protection&#8230;how can one be bullish at this point being realistic about the macro of the US economy, the upgrades left and right, the language of the media, specially the new line- &#8220;would you buy it&#8221; ? yes I would, sayd that two year old wet behind the ear when she asked about AA, this is a joke, that clwon and his tsunamis&#8230;never heard him pick a buy low or sell high for us, and if you trade heavy and listen to the guys down by the S&amp;P pit, you hear them laughing for the past two months, all those chrts, bands, 50 200 day averages, throw them away, they&#8217;re about to kill you, they will always make you buy tops and short bottoms, specially now at this point most charts(line) are poining to the stars, how meny realy understand candle stick(charts), don&#8217;t even want to go over all them numbers that keep on coming out from all kinds of back offices telling us its all good (m in good mood)&#8230;was a bull as it gets 11/08 on financials and commodities, 02,03/09 on everything else, had to wear ear plugs to not hear all them clowns advising sell, the world is over, EWZ, FXI, EWJ, RSX, EEM, and now the exact opposite, buy them now, come on, lol, have less then 10% left to sell, never thought we&#8217;ll get so high so quick, what got better on main street&#8217;s economy ? is small business getting better ? are they expanding-hiring ? too scared to ask if king dollar&#8217;s about to get de-valued, I know wall street have nothing to do with main street, but not this time I don&#8217;t think, looks like the fun&#8217;s about to begin, I would totally oil up my keyboard&#8217;s sell keys just in case, good luck to all, be careful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth (which is not much in my opinion since it&#039;s unverifiable):

06: 42%
07: 26%
08: 19%
09: 7%

That&#039;s with a Sortino ratio of 2.1 and max drawdown of 12%.  Clearly, I remained far too bearish in 2009, but that&#039;s on the back of my greatest investing achievement ever - a total outperformance of 60%+ in 2008.  

Of course, I do not run a global macro only portfolio (as you might assume from reading TPC).  My specialty is not even what I primarily discuss here so it&#039;s difficult to gauge whether my analysis here would actually lead to good performance in a global macro portfolio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth (which is not much in my opinion since it&#8217;s unverifiable):</p>
<p>06: 42%<br />
07: 26%<br />
08: 19%<br />
09: 7%</p>
<p>That&#8217;s with a Sortino ratio of 2.1 and max drawdown of 12%.  Clearly, I remained far too bearish in 2009, but that&#8217;s on the back of my greatest investing achievement ever &#8211; a total outperformance of 60%+ in 2008.  </p>
<p>Of course, I do not run a global macro only portfolio (as you might assume from reading TPC).  My specialty is not even what I primarily discuss here so it&#8217;s difficult to gauge whether my analysis here would actually lead to good performance in a global macro portfolio.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TPC, 

I would be interested to hear, if you are willing to publish it, the results of the backtesting of your prop model?
Similarly, again if you are willing, would you or could you publish performance stats for the portfolio you run as a result of all your work?

This is my first post but i&#039;ve been a reader for about 4 months - great website, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPC, </p>
<p>I would be interested to hear, if you are willing to publish it, the results of the backtesting of your prop model?<br />
Similarly, again if you are willing, would you or could you publish performance stats for the portfolio you run as a result of all your work?</p>
<p>This is my first post but i&#8217;ve been a reader for about 4 months &#8211; great website, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Iwenttoatoptenschool</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/expectation-ratio-remains-firmly-positive/comment-page-1#comment-10575</link>
		<dc:creator>Iwenttoatoptenschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are all missing the more important point here....

Look at the balance sheet of the United States of America. If you were looking at a company with a similar balance sheet (and similar off-balance sheet liabilities, which are huge btw) would you invest in that business?

Easy answer. NO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are all missing the more important point here&#8230;.</p>
<p>Look at the balance sheet of the United States of America. If you were looking at a company with a similar balance sheet (and similar off-balance sheet liabilities, which are huge btw) would you invest in that business?</p>
<p>Easy answer. NO</p>
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		<title>By: VCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, I&#039;ve taken great pains to understand Koo&#039;s main points.  I wouldn&#039;t be much of a macro speculator if I dismissed &quot;The Holy Grail of Macro Economics&quot;.  Koo argues for continued FISCAL stimulus so long as the private sector is deleveraging.  The mistake that you and all the other bulls are making is thinking that this deleveraging is complete or near completion.  It took Japan the better part of 15 years, this during a booming global macro period.  Do we have the guts to apply fiscal stimulus for a long enough time period to allow CitiGroup to go from insolvent to solvent?  I&#039;m guessing no, not when we&#039;re already talking about lifting stimulus in year 3 of the crisis.  

But the reason I remain bearish today, aside from deteriorating technicals that once mattered like volume, is b/c Mr. Market hasn&#039;t even figured all this out yet.  Mr. Market is focused on money printing as the Holy Grail of Macro Economics.  Can you explain to me why Japan&#039;s interest rates are now entering a third decade of being near 0%?  Isn&#039;t that the foundation upon which your long position rests upon, that QE is/was the magic bullet?  

When you talk about Koo and stimulus, remember that he is only talking about fiscal stimulus.  His exact word for describing QE during a balance sheet recession?  Impotent.  In other words, your long position, especially if you continue to hold for another six months, rests upon a policy widely celebrated yet one that the premier expert on balance sheet recessions finds useless given Japan&#039;s experience.  

I&#039;ll also offer a prediction that&#039;s so crazy you&#039;ll probably think I&#039;m out of my mind.  When you ring in New Years 2020, the fed interest rate will still be at or near 0%.  Take that one to the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, I&#8217;ve taken great pains to understand Koo&#8217;s main points.  I wouldn&#8217;t be much of a macro speculator if I dismissed &#8220;The Holy Grail of Macro Economics&#8221;.  Koo argues for continued FISCAL stimulus so long as the private sector is deleveraging.  The mistake that you and all the other bulls are making is thinking that this deleveraging is complete or near completion.  It took Japan the better part of 15 years, this during a booming global macro period.  Do we have the guts to apply fiscal stimulus for a long enough time period to allow CitiGroup to go from insolvent to solvent?  I&#8217;m guessing no, not when we&#8217;re already talking about lifting stimulus in year 3 of the crisis.  </p>
<p>But the reason I remain bearish today, aside from deteriorating technicals that once mattered like volume, is b/c Mr. Market hasn&#8217;t even figured all this out yet.  Mr. Market is focused on money printing as the Holy Grail of Macro Economics.  Can you explain to me why Japan&#8217;s interest rates are now entering a third decade of being near 0%?  Isn&#8217;t that the foundation upon which your long position rests upon, that QE is/was the magic bullet?  </p>
<p>When you talk about Koo and stimulus, remember that he is only talking about fiscal stimulus.  His exact word for describing QE during a balance sheet recession?  Impotent.  In other words, your long position, especially if you continue to hold for another six months, rests upon a policy widely celebrated yet one that the premier expert on balance sheet recessions finds useless given Japan&#8217;s experience.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also offer a prediction that&#8217;s so crazy you&#8217;ll probably think I&#8217;m out of my mind.  When you ring in New Years 2020, the fed interest rate will still be at or near 0%.  Take that one to the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the decrease in the ER point to earnings being much muddier, meaning more will miss than previous quarters?  I mean, to be honest, it usually matters on what the guidance is.  But in March/April companies missed and the markets rallied regardless.  Things seem to be getting more and more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the decrease in the ER point to earnings being much muddier, meaning more will miss than previous quarters?  I mean, to be honest, it usually matters on what the guidance is.  But in March/April companies missed and the markets rallied regardless.  Things seem to be getting more and more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: DanH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read Koo you should know that he believes the US is doing the right thing by stimulating the economy.  

In one sentence you say Koo is right, now you&#039;re saying he is wrong?  We are not Japan because we are implementing the plan that Koo himself said Japan made the mistake of NOT implementing - continued stimulus.  

Care to argue that one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read Koo you should know that he believes the US is doing the right thing by stimulating the economy.  </p>
<p>In one sentence you say Koo is right, now you&#8217;re saying he is wrong?  We are not Japan because we are implementing the plan that Koo himself said Japan made the mistake of NOT implementing &#8211; continued stimulus.  </p>
<p>Care to argue that one?</p>
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		<title>By: VCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>VCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

How exactly are we not Japan?  Huge asset bubble rise and sudden fall?  Check.  Massive exposure left behind by banks and property owners?  Check.  Zombie corporations (in Japan) / Zombie consumers (in US) / Zombie banks all the way around?  Check.  Deflation?  Check.  Applied stimulus?  Check.  Printed a massive amount of money?  Check.  80% peak to trough drop in the equity market?  That&#039;s only happened in Japan thus far.  Take a look at the Nikkei from 1985-2009 for some perspective on the effects of a debilitating deflationary spiral.  But you&#039;re right, we&#039;re probably better and different in some undefined way, most likely b/c of our govt brain trust. 

You may also want to brush up on how Soros made his money.  The idea that prices change our perspective of the underlying fundamentals, that idea is the only way I can see a justification for this rally continuing like &quot;the govt won&#039;t allow us to go back down.&quot;  By definition, bubbles arise unexpectedly.  It sure wouldn&#039;t be a &quot;major market top&quot; and epic bubble if you saw it coming now, would it?  

If you stay long over the next six months, one of us is sure to get hit by an unexpected freight train.  I assure you it won&#039;t be me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>How exactly are we not Japan?  Huge asset bubble rise and sudden fall?  Check.  Massive exposure left behind by banks and property owners?  Check.  Zombie corporations (in Japan) / Zombie consumers (in US) / Zombie banks all the way around?  Check.  Deflation?  Check.  Applied stimulus?  Check.  Printed a massive amount of money?  Check.  80% peak to trough drop in the equity market?  That&#8217;s only happened in Japan thus far.  Take a look at the Nikkei from 1985-2009 for some perspective on the effects of a debilitating deflationary spiral.  But you&#8217;re right, we&#8217;re probably better and different in some undefined way, most likely b/c of our govt brain trust. </p>
<p>You may also want to brush up on how Soros made his money.  The idea that prices change our perspective of the underlying fundamentals, that idea is the only way I can see a justification for this rally continuing like &#8220;the govt won&#8217;t allow us to go back down.&#8221;  By definition, bubbles arise unexpectedly.  It sure wouldn&#8217;t be a &#8220;major market top&#8221; and epic bubble if you saw it coming now, would it?  </p>
<p>If you stay long over the next six months, one of us is sure to get hit by an unexpected freight train.  I assure you it won&#8217;t be me.</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re really jumping to conclusions based on the AA report....Let&#039;s wait and see what happens.  I&#039;d be willing to bet that 60%+ companies beat earnings and the market is higher or unchanged from here in a month.  

That&#039;s what my research says anyhow.  

As for the ER, yes, the trend is important.  It&#039;s a leading indicator not a coincident indicator.  I mentioned this back in January 09 when I made my 09 investment predictions and I said long-term investors should add to positions.  http://pragcap.com/light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel

For now, the near-term trend is down, but I still believe the current earnings season will be better than investors believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re really jumping to conclusions based on the AA report&#8230;.Let&#8217;s wait and see what happens.  I&#8217;d be willing to bet that 60%+ companies beat earnings and the market is higher or unchanged from here in a month.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what my research says anyhow.  </p>
<p>As for the ER, yes, the trend is important.  It&#8217;s a leading indicator not a coincident indicator.  I mentioned this back in January 09 when I made my 09 investment predictions and I said long-term investors should add to positions.  <a href="http://pragcap.com/light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel" rel="nofollow">http://pragcap.com/light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel</a></p>
<p>For now, the near-term trend is down, but I still believe the current earnings season will be better than investors believe.</p>
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		<title>By: DanH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  TPC, are you misreading your indicator?  It looks like the trend is more important than the actual level.  It looks like we topped last quarter.  Am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  TPC, are you misreading your indicator?  It looks like the trend is more important than the actual level.  It looks like we topped last quarter.  Am I wrong?</p>
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