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FELIX ZULAUF: THE MARCH 2009 LOW WON’T HOLD

15 June 2010 by Cullen Roche 21 Comments

This weekend’s Barron’s Roundtable had an excellent update on several of our favorite market pundits.  Felix Zulauf is  a notable standout who has called the last few years with uncanny accuracy (see his full interview on King World News here). Zulauf is terribly bearish and believes the debt deflation environment is far from running its course.  He believes we are currently at a major turning point in the markets where investors are beginning to realize that government spending is not the solution to all our problems.  He says the fiscal austerity measures will only increase deflationary pressures and that the pain is inevitable and unavoidable:

“The world is at a major crossroads. Some countries are at the end of a dead-end street. Greece has hit the wall. Spain and Hungary probably will be next. The Greek debt crisis was the beginning of markets refusing to finance irresponsible public-sector indebtedness. It will travel from the periphery to the center in coming years. The common denominator in the housing crisis, the euro crisis and the banking crisis is that industrialized economies carry too much debt. These crises show that we have to rewrite our system. We have been living a fiction for the past 20 years in order to enjoy a greater standard of living. Hard times are ahead, and the steps that Europe has announced to contain its crisis are only the beginning. Governments must cut spending and promises, such as entitlement programs, and raise taxes. At best this means stagnation for some years, but it could be much worse. Deflationary pressures will increase.”

Zulauf says the markets have misinterpreted the government stimulus as a sustainable recovery.  At the beginning of the year he was bullish on the markets and said the S&P could run as high as 1,200.  But he said to sell any move higher.  He missed the peak by 19 points.  He currently believes the markets are beginning their next big down leg:

“The market is naïve in assuming the earnings models of the past 20 or 30 years can be extrapolated out to the next five years. The market will hit a lower low than it did in March 2009. What was missing last year was the complete desperation and turning away from equities as an asset class that marks the end of a secular bear market. That will come. European and U.S. policymakers believe China eventually will bail us out, but China is tightening. Its real-estate sector will get hit badly. All the leading indicators are topping around the world.”

Zulauf doesn’t think the market will fall in a straight line, however.  He says stocks are susceptible to a 20% decline from here, but that a panic low could be supported by more government intervention:

“Commodity prices are heading lower. The stock market probably will make its low for the year in late summer or fall. The upside is probably 5%, the downside 20%. If there is a big break in the fall and the Federal Reserve starts printing money again, stocks could rally. I would be willing to buy if the markets are oversold enough and my indicators turn bullish medium-term. That likely would mean stocks go up through year end, though they could rise more if the crisis triggers another major stimulus by the authorities. The market’s move would be temporary, however.”

Ultimately, however, Zulauf says we are going much lower.  He believes the S&P will fall to book value which is right around 500 – a more than 50% decline:

“Secular bear markets usually bottom slightly below book value. Book value on the S&P 500 is around $500, a far cry from last week’s $1,064. In the 1930s, the market was trading at half of book.”

His outlook for the endgame in Europe is equally dismal.  Zulauf has proven quite prescient here as well.  In the late 90′s he said the Euro was destined for failure and gave it 10 years to survive.  He says the currency is structurally flawed and will can no longer be trusted:

“People are losing faith in the central bank and currency. When the euro was introduced in 1999, I predicted that if the European Union stuck to the rules it established, it would be the shortest monetary union in history. I gave it 10 years. After about three years, they broke the rules, which stipulated government deficits couldn’t go above 3% of gross domestic product; no member country could help another financially amid a crisis, and the European Central Bank couldn’t buy the government bonds of any EU nation. Now they have broken them again. How can one trust the currency when the authorities keep breaking the rules?

Like myself, Zulauf believes the EU would be better off without the smaller, weaker nations.  He believes the problems will persist until some sort of major structural change is implemented.  The endgame here is a break up:

“It would be best if the weaker members left the EU. If they don’t leave, the devaluation of the euro will continue. Eventually it will have to decline to a level at which even the weakest member can compete in the world economy. At the end of the day, the EU will break up, because its other members are using Germany as the payer of last resort for their sins. German citizens will revolt and vote in a new government with a different attitude.”

Now there’s a bear case for you….Unfortunately, Zulauf hasn’t been wrong about much over the last few years.

Source: Barrons

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Comments
  • BK

    Thanks for the cheering up TPC!

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Yeah, sorry about this. I am not exactly a raging bull or anything, but this bearishness strikes me as excessive. Unfortunately, it’s coming from a reliable source and not some nutcase….

      • prescient11

        TPC, well, the last 150 point drop in the snp was due to heavy heavy hedge fund liquidation.

        they are not as levered now, trust me.

        I’ve got to say, that would be quite the event. Nothing is impossible, but that would be a lot of selling. At the 800-900 level you would see a huge amount of $$ go in unless nukes were going off. Even in times of war, commodities still rocket.

  • I found another part of that Barron’s interview interesting and near to my heart – he’s bearish on industrial commodities and thus bearish on the Australian dollar.

    He says the way to play it is to short the Aussie stock index – that way you get a double boost as Aussie stocks fall along w/their currency. I prefer going straight to the horse’s mouth and directly shorting the Aussie dollar and being long their interest rate markets.

  • boatman

    march ’09 will not hold………truely sorry………october ’10

  • Juno

    So, long gold and related stocks?

  • Michael Koh

    Who is this Zulauf ?Never heard of him ? What is his credential – certainly no buffet, soros, rogers or even faber or roubini ??????????

    Also barron publication is a place where go contratrian and make mopney.( ” )

  • Mark Pappa

    His concerns are not without merit. But did you see his performance since Jan 1?

  • Rob

    I understand the problems that the Euro causes countries like Greece, however, I don’t understand why everyone is so worried about the Euro falling back closer to purchasing power parity with the dollar. It seems to me that the only really concerning thing is the rapidity of the fall, but that is explained by the unwind of the short the dollar trade.

    Why did the Yen go from 120 to 80 overnight in 2008? Was Japan suddenly seen as a strong hand in a weak world? No, the Yen was THE carry trade currency. Lately the USD had become an alternative to the Yen for carry trade. Is it any surprise that the USD violently strengthen and the Euro weakened as it became clear that the Euro zone send interest rates to zero for a very long time, as well.

    The Euro is weaker than it was a few months ago, but it is hardly weak. Actually it seems to me that it remains surprisingly strong, which doesn’t say much good about the dollar.

  • James

    Michael Koh, if you know so much about Barrons then why do you not know of Felix Zaulaf? The reason you may not have heard of Mr. Zaulaf is because he’s not on CNBC as much as the other demagogues.

  • scharfy

    He’s calling for a valuation near to book and a total rebuking of equities that marks the bottom of a secular bear. I’d leave a little mental flexibility on what the “bottom” valuations may be, especially considering the low interest rate environment.

    Ok. I’m gonna say that Book Value is a metric that is very difficult to apply to the modern developed economy. Here’s why:

    Take a company like Pfizer or Microsoft or Google (i.e. modern companies). These guys tend to have more intangible capital. Software, Intellectual property, drug patents, incomplete R&D. Difficult to say what the future revenue streams of a copyright on a new Diabetes drug is worth. But it won’t have shit for book value.

    Thus they consistently trade (to the dismay of value hunters) at higher price to book ratios over time than there brethren in the “brick and mortar” economy. The 1930′s was brick and mortar, 2010 is R&D, computer info, and search function algo’s. (that is a generalization, but you get that we are hi-tech service sector now, selling Lipitor and iphone apps is the new woolworths)

    Before your throw me off the island for being a permabull, check out the following link and the research papers there are excellent. They touch one why I think Zuluaf is wrong to ground his analysis in 1930′s metrics.

    http://www.conference-board.org/subsites/index.cfm?id=130

    Not saying we won’t have some bumps along the way. But the S&P @ 500 would probably have China buying our stock market by the gallon.

    The lows are in is my call. I’m hoping they give me another shot at 850 or 900 on this market, but I know It’ll be scary if/when we get there. Buying when there’s blood in the streets really is an act of faith in humanity.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Thanks for that link Scharfy. Had never seen that.

      • prescient11

        YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!

        FOR THE LAST TIME, THESE FOOLS KEEP SAYING THAT THE DOLLAR IS A SAFETY TRADE. IT IS NOT!!! THE RUSH TO TREASURIES IS BECAUSE THOSE BUYING THEM KNOW THE US GOVERNMENT CAN PAY THEM BACK.

        IT IS NOT A STORE OF “VALUE”. IT IS JUST THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU CAN CASH IT OUT IF NEEDED.

        IN COMPARISON, HEAVY HEAVY DEFLATION RESULTED IN THE 1930S!!!! BECAUSE WE WERE A CREDITOR NATION AND ON THE GOLD STANDARD. ALL THOSE VALUATION COMPARISONS ARE THUS IMPROPER.

        In a way, China is the US in the 1930s. They know this and that is why I expect stimulus from both China and US (political realities may make this tough in US, but JOBS, JOBS, JOBS will pave the way I think)

        what, now we care about the deficit??? sure….

  • Seller

    I would hope the Indices would fall heavily, if only to get the markets back on par with reality. Probably won’t happen though : with the pension funds being depleted so badly and their only consideration a holding or improving market, the government will most likely keep intervening as long as possible.

  • Steve S

    Comparison to 1930s is not impossible. Its just that so far we have only seen the mild version of the 1930s. The low point in the stock market came in 1932 and coincided with a 30+% crash in bond prices. A similar crash in bonds due to a debt/funding crisis, pushing LT rates to 7-8% could easily cause lower stock prices than before. So far crises have meant lower rates which helped ameloriate declines. (Just as an aside 1929+3=1932, 2008+3=2011)

  • billw

    Oh gee guys apply your common sense scharfly. We could easily be hugely worse off than the 1930s because our current debt build-up is monstrously larger. We have back stopped pension funds at the city, state and federal level that didn’t exist in the 1930s. So just buckle up and watch the screen because the show has just started.

  • Pal

    Talk is always cheap. If you think this a bull market then buy all the way down and you will be a gazillionaire then the market goes MOON!

  • DIANE

    Yes, buy at the low, that is, if the dollar you have left has not been devastatingly devalued, as per Argentina’s.

  • Ben

    Zulauf has been a structural bear during most of the post-bubble-crash bull market of 2004-2007, and now he is at it again.

    The fact is, nobody knows. We are on a very thin edge between Inflation and Deflation, and it is a pure confidence game whether it will go to one or the other side.