GARY SHILLING CALLS FOR EURO PARITY AND 3% 30 YEAR TREASURIES
Gary Shilling is as optimistic as ever. Unfortunately, he’s one of the few people who has accurately called for deflation and continued economic woes. Thus far he’s been right and if he proves prescient we could be in for a lot more pain:
Schilling on re-affirming his call for Euro parity:
“I think this is the calm between two storms and we’re having a lot of storms. But right now there isn’t much going on in Europe. There’s the wait to see how things work out. Some of the various countries, Spain, Greece, etc. have issued bonds and have gone reasonably well and now people are focusing on the U.S. and the weakness we’re seeing in the second half double dip recession. So it’s kind of a shifting of emphasis but I don’t think the European problems have gone away by a long shot.”On what could be a catalyst for the market to weaken the Euro:
“One thing, in terms of catalyst, is the stress test of the European banks which will be coming up at the end of this week, and they may have some unpleasant revelations. But the basic problem there is that in the Club Med south versus the Teutonic north, you have all these countries – Greece, Portugal, Spain, throw in Ireland, Italy to a certain extent – at least the southern part of Italy – which have a very non-competitive approach to their economies. In Greece you can retire at age 55. And in Spain, bullfighters can retire early because they’ve got a hazardous occupation. You’ve got a lot of nonsense there that is simply not competitive in today’s world. And of course you’ve got a lot of financial institutions in Europe which are intertwined. The French banks own $75 billion of Greek debt, public and private, and the Germans $45 billion.”
On how long before we see the Euro turn around or whether we’ll see a new low set this year:
“In our portfolios that we manage, I’ve cut way down on that. I mean when the markets go against you, you don’t just stand there and run with the freight train. But I still have a very small position short in the euro, because I think this could turn around at any time.”
On how long the Treasury rally will continue:
“I like the 30 year bond. That’s been my favorite for 29 years. And that’s now broken through 4 percent yield. I think it’s going to 3 percent. And ten year probably could get closer to 2 percent in the short end of the curve.”
On whether the possibility of a double dip recession is creating a Treasury rally:
“It’s that plus the likelihood that we’re going to see slow growth. I’m saying 2% real GDP growth annually for the next decade and deflation….I’ve been looking for deflation and now it looks like we’re getting closer. But the point is we’re deleveraging the world. Two sectors in particular – the financial sector globally and the U.S. consumer in this country. And there was three decades of leveraging up. I think it will be a decade of leveraging down, deleveraging. That gives you slow growth, and probably deflation and lower treasury yields. The 3 percent yield on a 30 year treasury, if you’ve got 2 percent or 3 percent deflation, that’s 5 percent or 6 percent real return, which is very good.”
On deflation and whether the Fed will go back to quantitative easing:
“We saw a $1.25 trillion purchase of mortgage- related securities by the Fed, it didn’t do much. But of course what’s happening is the government is simply replacing the deleveraging in the private sector. It’s simply a tradeoff. It’s no net gain so far. Will they try more? Yes, probably. But the thrill is gone. You’ve done this once. They’ve done it massively. It just simply offsets the private sector. What will they do for an encore? Questionable.”
Source: Bloomberg TV



Shilling was eerily spot on in 2008. Granted he may have missed the gang buster bear market from depth of March 09 but his insights are worth adhering to.
Spot on. Although I think the potential of inflation is higher than he expects, simply because of a lack of faith in fiat currencies.
But time will tell.
I don’t think purchasing MBS is really deleveraging or pure QE. All it did was swap assets (as TPC has said; and directly owning the liability vs. thru FNM/FMA), and allow the gov to subsidize some of the refi activity (call this gov sponsored mini-mini-restructuring). When they start buying consumer credit receivables, <BBB corp debt and my Star Wars comic collection … then that will really be QE.
He’s right. My opinion is that all that QE is – IMO – precisely the reason why yields can go down even more than expected. All that money is elaving thre stockmarket and entering Treasuries. So, I think it’s not impossible to see the 10 year yield at 1% or below.
Mind you … Shilliong is also short copper.
TPC,
Slightly off topic, what ever happened to the Market Wrap segments? These used to be required reading for me each day..
Keep up the good work, you’re the 1 blog I make sure to read each day.
If the Euro goes to parity, then gold will hit $1,500
This was good – & oh btw don’t expect gold to behave in the way you think it should – go to Kitco.com to find out why (Institutional sell-offs including – NOW I hear Paulson is trying to make his book on his funds!)
Gold will stil have it’s day as it becomes a “flight” just like those Trsy’s! Thank God we can’t broke huh dude?!?!? (Technically we can’t…)
Lights out – time to hit the sack!
Thanks Angry and IB for your posts – dudes, you rock!
The Euro going to parity ?? The Euro/USD will go down even more !!! It will go down to 0.80 and perhaps even lower.
On QE…..”But of course what’s happening is the government is simply replacing the deleveraging in the private sector.”
How’s that work exactly? If he was describing fiscal stimulus I’d get it, but the increse in reserves is going nowhere, is it not?