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GOLD IS “HYPER OVERBOUGHT”

1 October 2010 by Cullen Roche 29 Comments

Interesting commentary by Dennis Gartman regarding gold prices (via Big Picture):

“. . .we shall urge the greatest of caution upon everyone, everywhere regarding gold. It is not just over-extended to the upside; it is hyper-extended. It is not just overbought; it is hyper-overbought. We cannot strongly enough urge everyone to avoid buying gold here and we shall go so far as to suggest that those who are long begin the process of quietly heading for the exits and to reduce their positions to the most minimal ‘insurance’ positions possible. Everyone should have perhaps 5% of their liquid assets in gold, but at this point anything beyond that level is excessive.”

–Dennis Gartman, September 29 2010

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  • Southerner

    TPC,

    Are you trying to start your own version of “Friday Night Fights”? Looking forward to the gold bugs’ response to this one.

    • Southerner,

      The gold argument is certainly emotionally charged right now – but that’s exactly what causes parabolic moves to continue…

      Prices have risen as investors lose confidence in fiat currencies. The FOMC statement didn’t help support that confidence at all. It’s interesting to see gold advancing even while the Euro troubles are swept under the rug.

      I wouldn’t consider shorting gold at this point until there was a clear break of trend. Silver (the great disappointer) might actually be a better short as it is farther extended above the August breakout.

      Rather than trade the spot price, I’m more interested in Gold Miners with strong balance sheets, ample reserves, and production costs at roughly a third of the current gold price.

      There are plenty of ways to play this trend without getting too emotional and adding too much risk to one’s account.

      ~Mike
      http://MercenaryTrader.com

    • JiminNM

      If a gold bubble bursts it will be because the Federal Reserve and the Central Banks want it to burst and create and drive the downside, not because the average citizen believes the price is too high. More Khazar manipulation. Read Alan Greenspan’s essay on Gold and Economic Freedom.

      • Cullen Roche TPC

        Your comments got tossed in the spam folder automatically. Now I’ve erased both your comments and the other anti-semite accuser.

        I’d appreciate it if you guys could act like adults so that I don’t have to police grown men and women on the internet. Thanks.

  • 3421138532110

    Gold is up 20% YTD on little volatility, on the back of 10 consecutive yearly gains, another good year. It’s in the advanced years of a proven, major, generational bull market, certainly not excessive, very far from it. Short term cycle extended, yes, but only a concern if you’re trading short cycles, otherwise stay buckled in.

    But keep the pessimism coming, please.

    The retailer AMZN is up some 30%+ in the last 6 WEEKS! Trades at a 65P/E, but I guess that’s not hyper-extended? ROFL.

  • svg

    AMZN has nothing to do with gold.

    Buying GLD Nov. puts here.

    • 3421138532110

      Trading against the biggest, baddest bull out there, with leverage, ouch! LOL, bet this is your 5th attempt this year too!

      You looked at the dollar recently? :-)

      • svg

        Clearly you have no idea what leverage is.

        “bet this is your 5th attempt this year too! ”

        It doesn’t surprise me that you’d make a bet with zero knowledge.

  • B Ferro

    I’m quite sure no matter what happens to gold, we are all F’d in the end given what is taking place right now…

    Seriously – this isn’t hyperbole anymore…

    We know how this story ends when Bernanke et. al. intervene to guide the economy as they see fit…

    The havoc they are reaping on everything everywhere, and the end game this is about to produce, will go down in the history books…

    I’ve never believed the “gold is going to $10,000″ crap, but the more I look at the futility of what our Fed leaders are trying to pull off, the more I believe some number far in excess of that…

    If the bubbles they created in the run up to 2000 and 2007 tore this country’s economic fabric to shreds, which none of us would argue, what are the same policies to do today, with the economy still so fragile from the last episode…

    Add to this austerity, which, as we know led the US back into depression in 1937/38 and it’s all a question of timing, not if…

    Have a nice, happy weekend all.

    • Paul

      B. Ferro,

      I would argue that you can’t blaim the FED for what has happened to the US Economy. How about China taking all the manufacturing jobs? Can one really hang that on the FED’s beard, too?

    • JiminNM

      Depression might not be a bad thing if it gets us back to a gold standard and buying within our means instead of using artificial growth rates, virtually unlimited currency and credit to make the rich richer.

  • If gold is Hyper-Overbought than:
    C
    AMZN
    BIDU
    AAPL
    are mega-super-monster-Mayan 2012 overbought

    Everyone I know owns the above tickers, none own gold. Maybe the argument is that too many are buying into a small base of an asset as gold cannot issue more gold like firms can issue stock but is that not the allure of gold?

    At least he left silver alone, LOL.

  • scharfy

    GOLD IS “HYPER OVERBOUGHT”

    Problem is, it might go to “double-super hyper overbought”

  • TNO

    Dennis is a trader and prone to a little hyperbole. That said he is right much of the time over the last nine years I have read his analysis. I hope he is right here because i am not ready for the gold train to leave the station yet. I am not selling but waiting to buy more. These are crazy times we live in and not too much makes sense the way gold or silver make sense. Bring on the pull back, I’ve got the truck.

    • Marty

      If you want more, then why not start buying? Even though you’re presumably looking at increasing your core holding, you can treat your new purchases as a “starter” trading position, using a relatively tight stop to limit the damage if you’re too early, then gradually relax the stop and and add to the position if the near term trend continues (or take advantage of a pullback to complete your addition if it turns out you were early). Sure, gold will have violent corrections from time to time, but the next significant correction might not bring prices down even to today’s prices. At least if you dip your toes in now, you won’t feel entirely left behind if the next significant correction doesn’t happen in the near term.

      • TNO

        Thanks Marty, good advice. I got left behind in June 09 and it was not fun waiting for the pullback.

    • Gartman is a complete idiot, moron, and fool whose only talent seems to be getting himself heard in the financial media. No, he is not right much of the time.

      I have no position in gold and don’t intend to take a position in gold, but Gartman’s comments amount to a pretty loud “buy’ signal.

  • Pod

    daily RSI on GLD ($128.90) is 83.4, the 2nd highest in its history. the highest was 83.6 on 25-Nov 2009. Look for a fall Monday morning, and then a 3-4 day spastic vertical blow off to about $134. At that point we’ll get a negative divergence on the RSI, and the start of a multi-month correction.

    Similarly, UUP (.DXY) is more oversold (22.8) on the daily RSI than at any point in history. Yes, that’s right, history. No negative divergence yet, but at 95% USD bears it should not take long.

    Gartman seems correct in his assertions

    • Marty

      You certainly could be right about a coming multi-month correction, but you seem a lot more confident about it than I think is warranted. I agree with you that gold is very sensitive to the performance of the dollar, and if the dollar strengthens significantly for fundamental reasons or because of a sustained flight to safety, then I also would expect a significant gold price correction. But one big reason the dollar is being sold down is that the market believes (with good reason) that QE 2 is on the way, and unless that turns out to be wrong the dollar should be expected to stay depressed and I wouldn’t expect gold to significantly correct right away.

      Of course, other central banks could react with their own brand of additional QE to prevent the US from getting the upper hand in the race to the bottom (such flexibility is a real “benefit” of fiat currencies, eh?), and that could cause the dollar to rise in relative terms. But in “absolute” terms (i.e. its value prior to QE) the dollar would still be worth less, and gold should rise to reflect that (i.e., it shouldn’t be expected to undergo a correction just because the dollar was stronger relative to other major currencies). You can have gold rise against all currencies if all currencies are being cheapened, in which case the gold price should at least partly decouple from the ups and downs of the dollar.

      None of this has anything to do with perceived price inflation, and happens without any overt price inflation (although I expect a significant rise in the CPI would add to the demand for gold). This is probably not what many people who think of gold as “just another commodity” that is primarily useful for jewelry and inflation hedging would predict. Ditto for people who think the gold bull market is currently driven largely by momentum traders.

      Finally, in a recent newsletter, Bill Fleckenstein commented that an unusually large trade of over 8600 gold contracts worth $1.1 billion had apparently taken place early in London on Sept. 28, all trades occurring within a $12 range. He felt that was very noteworthy because of the market’s response to a very large sale — if the gold market were as crowded as many believe (including his well-connected source), then the first big sale could easily cause a hit of $25 or $30 per ounce and lead to further declines. He (and his source) felt it was indicative that the gold market may be somewhat deeper than many believe.

      My point is that, while you may be right that an extended correction is about to occur, there are good reasons to think it might not play out that way in the near term.

  • MagFul

    Agree Pod.

  • percolator

    Be very careful listening to Dennis Gartman. He told his subscribers on May 18, 2010:

    “The Gartman Letter, came out today stating he is abandoning his long-held strategy of buying gold and is advising investors to get out of gold immediately as the precious metal reaches a technical top and is due for a pullback.”

    http://wallstreetpit.com/28427-dennis-gartman-advises-investors-to-get-out-of-gold

    Gold at the time was $1200 / oz which was basically the bottom and is now over $1300 / oz.

  • Yup

    Always get nervous when the likes of Paulson and Rogers start selling their “book”.

    Seems to me they want to do a killing here in the fall.

    And Paulson is 80% positioned? WOW! No wonder he is selling his book! He’s getting ready to unload 40% before January!

    Am timing the short-hold stuff now. looking fer $1350-$1400, then I exit.

    `Cause when those big boys start selling incl’g Faber & Soros, they will squash the market flat – regardless of the good monsoon in India.

    Also, the recent rise has been due to the USD. When they figure out we can’t go broke – dollar gets strong again and hops on the US Trsy band wagon.

    Ireland is getting ready to make that happen (Anglo/Allied banks).

  • Derfem

    According to Roubini (yes i know…), he identifies 6 scenarios:
    1) Above-trend recovery (+5% GDP/year) Probability 5%: come-back to inflation in G10, surge in inflation in EM =>> Gold will surge.
    2) Below-Trend recovery (+1.5% GDP/year) Probability 40%: return to new normal, weak economy with extensive monetary policy, higher sensitivity to chocks, high inflation in EM =>> Gold will be range bound.
    3) Stagflation (flat GDP) Probability 12.5%: low inflation and trade tensions =>> Gold will be weak and go down.
    4) Double-dip probability 30% : risk-aversion =>> Gold will rise
    5) Severe DD probability 10% : 2008 redux =>> Gold will surge
    6) Global Financial Collapse probability 2.5% => Gold will skyrocket.

    So, according to that, only 3 could lead to a decline in gold price, with a 12.5% probability. In all other cases, gold will go from range bound to skyrocket.

    It is not a call to go 100% long on Gold, but as an insurance up to 12-15%, it could be a good deal. To be honest, i bought at about 600$, and i still see no reasons to sell now. And i see no reasons to add more longs to that position now…

  • Jim

    Gartman is consistent. Consistently wrong on gold. Practically a perfect record of wrong turns and bad calls.

  • Pod

    Forget what anybody says. Look at the RSI

  • Helicopter Ben

    This article is so terribly flawed, that I simply have to laugh about it. For all the paper bugs here at TPC I have 2 simple and excellent articles which will open your eyes:

    http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/09/just-another-hyperinflation-post.html

    http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2009/03/all-paper-is-still-short-position-on.html

  • Pagey

    Gold will always rise when the United States debases its currency. Agree that a big correction is imminent but that’s all it will be as long at the Fed trashes its PPP.

    • F. Beard

      Gold will always rise when the United States debases its currency. Pagey

      But it is OK for banks to leverage 20-30 times on top of US currency? What difference would it be for the US Government to increase the money supply 20-30 times and at the same time abolish fractional (fictional these days) reserve lending? The money supply would no longer expand as loans were made and shrink as they are repaid, hence no boom-bust cycle.

      The truth is that the US could vastly expand its money supply without debasement if it limited banks ability to leverage on top of that money.

      In practice, replacing the credit money the banks have created with genuine legal tender will take time but we could hurry it along with a free and equal distribution of debt-free legal tender fiat to every US adult to compensate them for the current system which has robbed everyone of honest interest rates and driven some into unserviceable debt.

      Gold is barbaric and a tool of the banking establishment. Let the government issue its own legal tender for government debts only and let the private sector develop its own money and I would bet that the value of gold would quickly drop to its mere commodity value.

      We should value justice, gold and silver will not save us:

      ‘They will fling their silver into the streets and their gold will become an abhorrent thing; their silver and their gold will not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD. They cannot satisfy their appetite nor can they fill their stomachs, for their iniquity has become an occasion of stumbling. Ezekiel 7:19-20 (New American Standard Bible)

      “But let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.” Amos 5:24 (New American Standard Bible)

  • PS

    Precious metals are in secular bull market versus paper money. Rather, paper money is in a secular bear-market versus tangibles such as precious metals.

    This is an incipient bubble, which will morph into a full blown bubble before it collapses. However, the collapse is not likely at today’s prices.

    Gold could easily double or triple BEFORE the bubble ends in tears.

    Maximum profits are made riding the bubble BUT one needs to be aware that it is a bubble and not a permanent boom.

    So, be long and strong BUT know that one day, you’ll need to sell all your gold