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HAS THE ECB SUCCEEDED?

13 August 2010 by Cullen Roche 26 Comments

Fears in Europe were quickly calmed in recent months after unprecedented moves by the European Central Bank.  But since that time there have been some further signs of weakness in the regions that were supposed to benefit most from the bailout – specifically Ireland and Greece.  As we noted yesterday, there were rumors that the ECB was buying Irish bonds as yields began to spike and budget woes continue to weigh on Ireland.

On Thursday Greece announced lower than expected GDP at -1.5% and a 12% unemployment rate.  The worsening of both was attributed in large part to government austerity measures.  Deutsche Bank analysts are now referring to Greece as a “a death spiral of government insolvency.”   The IMF also commented briefly on the action in Greece: “Speculation that Greek debt restructuring may have only been postponed, rather than decisively put to rest, clearly weighs on sentiment.”  Bond spreads have steadied back near their highs (after briefly declining) while CDS spreads have begun to move higher.  The cumulative probability of default now sits at 49.72% – roughly a coin flip and not exactly a sign of faith in the ECB’s actions:

European Bond Spreads

European CDS Sreads

This morning, Germany reported a blockbuster GDP that blew past expectations.  Markets are celebrating this move, but as I’ve explained in that past, this is the problem with the single currency system – Germany’s trade surplus imposes inherent weaknesses on many of its European trading partners.  The most recent GDP strength is being attributed to “buoyant exports”:

“Germany on Friday reasserted itself as the economic growth engine of the eurozone, after gross domestic product expanded at a stellar 2.2 per cent rate in the second quarter compared with the previous three months.

Buoyant exports, aided by a decline in the value of the euro, helped Europe’s largest economy post its fastest rise in decades, equivalent to an annualised rate of more than 8 per cent.”

It’s not surprising then, to see the weakness in GDP reports in many of the surrounding countries over the last few days.  After all, a country like Greece just doesn’t sell much to Germany and what little they do sell to Germany is less attractive than it should be because Greece doesn’t have a floating exchange rate that can adjust with trade.

So for now, the Euro is rallying and equity futures are rallying as Germany looks strong.  But Germany isn’t the issue here and their strength is sapping strength from the most worrisome parts of Europe.  The Euro sovereign debt crisis is far from playing out.  It’s clear that the politicians in Europe will not admit that the Euro is a flawed currency system and so it looks like the IMF’s comments above are actually quite pertinent:

“Greek debt restructuring may have only been postponed, rather than decisively put to rest”

The United States isn’t the only place where central bank intervention is proving to be a failure.  I have little doubt that the Europeans will eventually come to the same realization.

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  • GLH

    I have three questions. First, how do you think Germany and France duped the PIGGS into signing onto the Euro in the first place? Then, how long do you think it will be before the PIGGS wake up and dump the Euro? Or, do you think the politicians will succeed in holding things together?

  • slightly_skeptical

    GLH, let me see if I can take a stab at this. First, the PIIGS were not duped into joining the EURO, they joined willingly since they were able to take advantage of stronger members of the euro zone to fund their debt in Euros more cheaply. There were probably other advantages such as non existent trade barriers between members of the euro zone club, and some other giveaways such as EU sponsored development projects (think handouts).

    The problem they now have is that their debt is denominated in Euros thus limiting their ability to manage that debt since they are not able to unilaterally devalue the currency (the Euro) as they would have been if their debt had been denominated in their local currency thus helping inflated away their debt. Even if they leave, the debt they owe is still denominated in Euros. They are now stuck and their economies will suffer more as they have no ability to devalue the currency, their debts or make their exports cheaper. The only thing that will keep them there is the “carrot” of debt forgiveness by EU members, but not sure how likely that will be – either debt forgiveness/restructuring or forgiveness for defaulting (same thing), more handouts or “the stick” punishment for leaving the EU (not sure what form that could take, use your imagination). If the “carrot” is not forthcoming and the threat of “the stick” is not severe enough it’s unclear why they would remain in the EU. Neither staying or going will be pain free, but at least if they leave they will have more control over their own destinies going forward. If they do leave you can be guaranteed that they will default on their Euro debt.

    Note, keeping the PIIGS in the EU for as long as possible has also been very beneficial for countries like Germany. The PIIGS situation has caused the Euro to depreciate (not as much as the PIIGS would like), and made German exports cheaper to the rest of the world. Germany has thus far been the main beneficiary out of this whole PIIGS debacle – if they start defaulting or leaving the EU that will change.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Good comments Skeptical. It’s important to note that Germany has been the primary beneficiary of this currency union. It’s not all that much different than our situation with China where they have pegged their currency. The lack of floating exchange has created an imbalance and the surplus nation is always the beneficiary of what is effectively market manipulation. Now, Germany obviously isn’t manipulating the currency, but the more countries that are involved in this closed currency system the more exports Germany can sell at an unadjusted exchange rate. So Germany wins and everyone else loses.

      The problem here is that the politicians are unwilling to take a long-term perspective on this reality. A country like Greece has to know by now that a return to its own currency is in the best interest of the sustainability of economic growth, but that would take political will and its just not present.

  • TK7936

    You cant export if you dont produce anything. The GDP Growth rates clearly show the economies that produce more like Germany ,Britain and France are being revised up while the others are being revised down. Spain is a exclusion which is selling its real estate surplus to Germans looking for sunnier weather but Greece ultimately needs to produce more. Even if it could devalue or leave the euro -that fact wont change and it wont help them. There still in because they know its irrelevant to have a cheap currency if you have nothing to sell it with. The Euro isnt old enough for them to have forgotten the wealth it brought them. Most likely on the long term Germany will be increasingly moving production to such countries to compensate its own lack of work force due to demographics. This will restore the balance, the question is if it can happen soon enough which it probably can not.

  • domingo

    The euro devaluation make its magic in a very short term. The GDP is up.

  • B Ferro

    This is a very interesting article…Irish banks have been transferring bad assets to a gov’t agency there at 55%+ discounts to where they were carrying the loans on their books…

    What’s that say about the assets on the BSs of US banks that aren’t being marked to market like this??

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703723504575425562473257080.html

  • Willy2

    Nearly all countries benefitted from joining the Eurozone. The PIIGS because their interest rates went down and that spurred growth. That growth in the PIIGS benefitted countries in N.-Europe (keywords: increased exports.). How long will the eurozone remain to be in the current form ? simple: Until the negative sides of being in the Eurozone become (much) larger than the (shrinking) positive sides.

    German export growth was the result of a Eur/USD going down and a (strong) chinese growth.

  • SUCKINGMASCHINE

    “Germany’s trade surplus imposes inherent weaknesses on many of its European trading partners.”

    This is typical anglo/jewish propaganda spin and nonsense. Germany is imposing nothing! NOBODY is hindering the rest of Europe to become as competitive as Germany. Germany gave Europe a huge gift: low interest rates for decade. And Club Med (as any grown up) is solely responsible for what they have done with it. It is as simple as that!

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      That’s only true to a certain extent. Yes, the Greek’s don’t have the output, but they also don’t get any aid from what should be a free floating exchange system. Even worse, is the fact that they have no control over their monetary policy. The single currency system is great in the good times and horrible in the bad times. There is no ability to smooth the business cycle even remotely.

      • SUCKINGMASCHINE

        Again nonsense. The Greeks VOLUNTARILY joined the Euro. Infact they cheated on the grandest scale to be in – and, btw., continued that way ever since up to today. All to get more money – at any cost. And even after getting huge aid from the EU for years (2009 each Greek – child or grandma – got 2284 €) Greece is bankrupt. Now, how idiotic (or mendacious?) is it to argue the Germans are (even remotely) responsible for that?

        • Cullen Roche TPC

          It’s not nonsense at all. I have never said that the Greeks were not ignorant in joining. Yes, it was a horrible and greedy decision. What I am saying is that they need to accept their mistake and realize that they would be better off with their own currency. It’s a fantasy to say that the Greeks should just become more productive. Oh yeah, everyone should just build a manufacturing base like Germany! Yeah, and I want to make investment decisions like Warren Buffett!. Maybe if I just try harder!

          Let’s take reality for what it is. The Greeks are a low productivity, low output nation. Pretending that they can be something they are not is a pipe dream. And trust me, I am not BLAMING the Germans here. The Greeks are entirely at fault. But it’s not too late to recognize that mistake and move on.

          • SUCKINGMASCHINE

            “I am not BLAMING the Germans here”
            That’s not what you said (And what I constantly read in the anglo/jewish press) – may I remind you:
            “Germany’s trade surplus imposes inherent weaknesses on many of its European trading partners.”

            • Cullen Roche TPC

              I think you’re taking my comments the wrong way. I am not blaming Germany. I am basically saying that their awesomeness is hurting the other nations. It’s like saying that the rest of major league baseball is bad because the Yankees are too good. I’m not raining on their parade, but it’s a fact of life. The Greeks could make life easier for themselves by not being involved in the same currency system. That’s all. I’m not saying the Germans need to stop being such an economic powerhouse or that they are evil….Not at all.

              • SUCKINGMASCHINE

                No, the Germans are not awesome. They are just privilegded to be the biggest economy in the center of Europe, in an ideal position to dominate the european markets, and therefore also becoming succesfull on world markets. The Problem is the delicate and difficult integration and formation of an European economy, constantly torpedoed by the (untouchable) anglo/jewish rulers, allways playing their greedy, cruel, mendacious, shortsighted money games, bringing western civilization slowly but surely ever closer to the abiss.
                May be you should readjust your focus of attention? Or may be you and our children, eventually like to the live the chinese way?

                • Cullen Roche TPC

                  Okay,

                  So what’s your solution then? I am not sure I see what you’re getting at….By the way, using “Jews” is catching your comments in the spam folder. Not sure if your comments are racially driven or not, but just a heads up.

                  • SUCKINGMASCHINE

                    My solution:
                    Do something that no US Media is doing. Question the role and motives of the all mighty jewish elite in the US. Go after the taboos: race, jewish elite, Israel, conspiracies, the destruction of the middle class, US society, democracy, western civilization and the transformation of it all into something orwellian.
                    I don’t know the answers, but I have my strong suspicions because I see the the signs and results: the crazy sick US media, which is nothing but propaganda. The constant promotion and adoration of primitivity and violence. The gradual abolition of free speech by raising more and more taboos. The ever more powerfull control and survaillance of the population. The ever more extreme concentration of wealth and power. A dysfunctional society and political system. And I see who is profiting and becoming ever more powerfull. First of all: the untouchable jewish elite and their allies, who nobody has to question. No, I am not a racist in seeing the obvious. Their clans, intermarried, who control everything behind the senses – for sure. How are people like Bloomberg, Soros, Obama, Summers, Greenspan, Gates … possible? There is a racism from the top. How about that? Isn’t it strange that nobody in the US is supposed to talk about who really owns the US?

                    • Cullen Roche TPC

                      One big racial conspiracy theory? I believe in a banking cartel in the USA, but I think you might be stretching things a bit with this one. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, the two wealthiest men in the country are both very vocal agnostics. They certainly have limited religious ties.

                    • Angry MBA

                      No, I am not a racist in seeing the obvious.

                      Oh, you’re a racist, no doubt about that.

                      TPC makes the rules around here, but IMO, this anti-Semitic crap really crosses a line on this website that shouldn’t be crossed. This is a trading forum, not a Nuremberg rally.

  • F. Beard

    Of course the Greeks could leave the Euro and government backed fractional reserve banking and show the Germans the superiority of true capitalism over fascism. It would be an interesting competition. I predict the Greeks would win.

  • SUCKINGMASCHINE

    @TPC
    You bet!
    Thank’s for the interchange.

    …some reading
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703321004575427272550050504.html?mod=europe_home

  • MG

    Newbie poster with limited econ understanding…

    @TPC,
    Can you compare and contrast the situation of PIIGS vs situation of California,Illinois, etc?
    All with high unemployment, decreasing GDP(?), cannot print their way out of their debts…
    BTW, thanks for the website…I enjoy it even though a lot of things fly above my head..

    MG

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Rob hits the nail on the head below. The big difference between the USA and the EU is that we are united under one treasury, one rule of law, AND one central bank. We are in many ways exactly the same. The states are in the same exact fiscal position that the countries in Europe are. They do not have monetary sovereignty. They are dependent on a foreign central bank to issue the currency. But the biggest difference is that Califorians don’t throw a hissy fit when New Yorkers get a check from the govt. We’re truly united and recognize that what’s good for one state is good for America. The Europeans have too much history and too many economic differences to ever be truly united in my opinion. So, when Greece wants a bailout the Germans call them lazy no good $%&*@$, etc and avoid bailing them out at any cost. Here in the USA we just sent $26B in aid to the states after a brief battle, but no one is losing sleep over it.

      Without the unity you have an inherent problem because the nations don’t have monetary sovereignty and no floating exchange. So you get trade discrepancies within the EU that can’t be even remotely resolved through natural currency movements. You also can’t battle recession with monetary policy and fiscal policy because those decisions are effectively in the hands of a foreign central bank.

      In other words it’s a massive social monetary experiment and we’re finding out that it doesn’t work all that well.

  • Rob

    The EU monetary union is attempting to impose a one-size-fits-all economic policy on a group of nations with very different economies. What is good for Germany may not be good for Greece, and visa versa. In the US, similar tensions may have been partly responsible for the Civil War. (The industrial northern states wanted to impose import tariffs on manufactured goods from Europe, which would have increased costs for the southern states).

    So I think that it is still too early to tell whether the EU monetary union will succeed. I think that working out all the differences may turn out to be a long, slow process.

    • MG

      Rob and TPC,

      Thanks for your replies…

      Does this imply that State of CA bond spreads and CDS cannot WIDEN?
      Under what scenario could that happen?

      MG

      • Cullen Roche TPC

        MG,

        I also responded in the forum so I will answer this question in there just to keep things organized. Thanks.

  • I really don’t like when the Euro is being talked down as a flawed currency. The Euro, being a legal tender in the EU has helped many businesses go international without having to deal with anything related to currency exchange any more. Many of my friends decided to start selling their products and services in other Euro countries after the Euro was introduced and they did so because there was minimal opportunity cost left in doing so.
    Yes, the Euro makes it harder for national banks or the ECB to influence the markets directly, but there are other macroeconomic tools available for each individual country which can be used instead. And don’t tell me monetary policy is the most powerful, or I’ll point you to the latest Fed releases.