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		<title>By: DosZap</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/how-goldman-sachs-is-trading-the-commodity-markets#comment-8832</link>
		<dc:creator>DosZap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When your in bed with the Government, it&#039;s easy to make good calls.

Question?.

The BIG 3, are going to dole out 260 Billion in Bonus $.
Averaging for 119,000 employess, is approx 250k each.........

When AIG (Paulson knew and agreed) to pay them their salary in the form of a YEAR end bonus for NOT leaving their jobs( key position folks), and taking a $1.00 for their salary.

ACORN and the public was ALL over them.
Why is GS/MS/&amp;JPM, getting a PASS?............

Just sayin&#039;......................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When your in bed with the Government, it&#8217;s easy to make good calls.</p>
<p>Question?.</p>
<p>The BIG 3, are going to dole out 260 Billion in Bonus $.<br />
Averaging for 119,000 employess, is approx 250k each&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>When AIG (Paulson knew and agreed) to pay them their salary in the form of a YEAR end bonus for NOT leaving their jobs( key position folks), and taking a $1.00 for their salary.</p>
<p>ACORN and the public was ALL over them.<br />
Why is GS/MS/&amp;JPM, getting a PASS?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: CHARLES</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/how-goldman-sachs-is-trading-the-commodity-markets#comment-8464</link>
		<dc:creator>CHARLES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been a fair amount of talk about the glut of Natural Gas on the market today and how full capacity storage could threaten us by the end of the year. This is a very interesting situation. We are running close to full capacity, yet natural gas prices refuse to go down. In fact, we have had quite a rally off the September lows, moving from slightly below $3.50 to $5.23, up just shy of 50% (November contract).  So what’s going on here?

According to Matt Badiali of Growth Stock Wire, “We store natural gas in old oil and gas fields, salt domes, and even aquifers. Old fields make up the largest volume of storage, about 81% of the 8.5 trillion cubic feet of capacity. Some of those require a certain amount of gas to keep the cracks open, called “base gas.” Base gas volume remains steady around 4.3 trillion cubic feet. The remaining 4.2 trillion cubic feet of storage is for “working gas.” That’s gas available for use.

The Energy Information Administration publishes how much working gas we have in storage. As of October 9, that was 3.7 trillion cubic feet. We only have 0.5 trillion cubic feet of storage left. In other words, we’re at 94% capacity. Over the last six weeks, we added about 65 billion cubic feet per week. Unless demand changes quickly, we’ll fill up the remaining space by early December.”


 

So why are prices rising? Well, the number of drilling rigs is running at 726, down from 1600 in September of last year. Also, tight credit is helping to further feed the cutback in production. So, in spite of the supply situation, the current slowdown in production, coupled with a 70% drop in prices may be part of the answer.  

Then there is the haunting Natural Gas to Oil ratio. In theory, based on an energy equivalent basis, crude oil and natural gas prices should have a 6 to 1 ratio. Strangely enough that hit close to 25 to 1, an obvious historical high. Currently it is running at 13.75, still 2x it’s historical.


 

Could the big inventories be somewhat of an illusion as traders look past the current data? I don’t know, but I would imagine that when we work through these inventories, we could see a sustained move in Natural Gas prices.

If you would like to keep and eye on the storage numbers yourself, Matt gives out some useful information.

“Go to the EIA’s website: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/natural_gas/ngs/ngs.html. Look at the table for Working Gas in Underground Storage. In the lower left corner, you can see the total for the week (3,716 billion cubic feet, as of October 9). Subtract that number from 4,200 billion cubic feet and you can see how much room we have left. You can also scroll down and check out the “Working Gas in Underground Storage” graph. That shows you the trend in red, compared to the historical range in gray.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a fair amount of talk about the glut of Natural Gas on the market today and how full capacity storage could threaten us by the end of the year. This is a very interesting situation. We are running close to full capacity, yet natural gas prices refuse to go down. In fact, we have had quite a rally off the September lows, moving from slightly below $3.50 to $5.23, up just shy of 50% (November contract).  So what’s going on here?</p>
<p>According to Matt Badiali of Growth Stock Wire, “We store natural gas in old oil and gas fields, salt domes, and even aquifers. Old fields make up the largest volume of storage, about 81% of the 8.5 trillion cubic feet of capacity. Some of those require a certain amount of gas to keep the cracks open, called “base gas.” Base gas volume remains steady around 4.3 trillion cubic feet. The remaining 4.2 trillion cubic feet of storage is for “working gas.” That’s gas available for use.</p>
<p>The Energy Information Administration publishes how much working gas we have in storage. As of October 9, that was 3.7 trillion cubic feet. We only have 0.5 trillion cubic feet of storage left. In other words, we’re at 94% capacity. Over the last six weeks, we added about 65 billion cubic feet per week. Unless demand changes quickly, we’ll fill up the remaining space by early December.”</p>
<p>So why are prices rising? Well, the number of drilling rigs is running at 726, down from 1600 in September of last year. Also, tight credit is helping to further feed the cutback in production. So, in spite of the supply situation, the current slowdown in production, coupled with a 70% drop in prices may be part of the answer.  </p>
<p>Then there is the haunting Natural Gas to Oil ratio. In theory, based on an energy equivalent basis, crude oil and natural gas prices should have a 6 to 1 ratio. Strangely enough that hit close to 25 to 1, an obvious historical high. Currently it is running at 13.75, still 2x it’s historical.</p>
<p>Could the big inventories be somewhat of an illusion as traders look past the current data? I don’t know, but I would imagine that when we work through these inventories, we could see a sustained move in Natural Gas prices.</p>
<p>If you would like to keep and eye on the storage numbers yourself, Matt gives out some useful information.</p>
<p>“Go to the EIA’s website: <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/natural_gas/ngs/ngs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/natural_gas/ngs/ngs.html</a>. Look at the table for Working Gas in Underground Storage. In the lower left corner, you can see the total for the week (3,716 billion cubic feet, as of October 9). Subtract that number from 4,200 billion cubic feet and you can see how much room we have left. You can also scroll down and check out the “Working Gas in Underground Storage” graph. That shows you the trend in red, compared to the historical range in gray.”</p>
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		<title>By: smileman</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/how-goldman-sachs-is-trading-the-commodity-markets#comment-8399</link>
		<dc:creator>smileman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one thing you fail to mention is that Goldman&#039;s prop trading desk is a different entity from Goldman&#039;s research department. in other words, when you say &quot;Goldman is bullish&quot; what you&#039;re really saying is that &quot;this department within Goldman is bullish&quot;. 

case in point, the news recently about how Goldman was simultaneously profiting from the promotion/sale of mortgages while their trading desk was shorting mortgages! 

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/77791.html 

somebody correct me if i&#039;m wrong here, but i don&#039;t believe Goldman&#039;s (or any) trading desk publishes forecasts like this, so i have to assume (since it isn&#039;t mentioned) that it&#039;s Goldman&#039;s research arm (which works hand-in-hand with their sales force) that is publishing these forecasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing you fail to mention is that Goldman&#8217;s prop trading desk is a different entity from Goldman&#8217;s research department. in other words, when you say &#8220;Goldman is bullish&#8221; what you&#8217;re really saying is that &#8220;this department within Goldman is bullish&#8221;. </p>
<p>case in point, the news recently about how Goldman was simultaneously profiting from the promotion/sale of mortgages while their trading desk was shorting mortgages! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/77791.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/77791.html</a> </p>
<p>somebody correct me if i&#8217;m wrong here, but i don&#8217;t believe Goldman&#8217;s (or any) trading desk publishes forecasts like this, so i have to assume (since it isn&#8217;t mentioned) that it&#8217;s Goldman&#8217;s research arm (which works hand-in-hand with their sales force) that is publishing these forecasts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the markets are ready to take another tumble. But the dollar will also fall is what I feel.

GS is normally quite wrong. I do not think Gold will come back to 960 in a hurry. Also NG moving up is not something I rule out. The chances are it will move.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the markets are ready to take another tumble. But the dollar will also fall is what I feel.</p>
<p>GS is normally quite wrong. I do not think Gold will come back to 960 in a hurry. Also NG moving up is not something I rule out. The chances are it will move.</p>
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		<title>By: ComethMoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComethMoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10B, that is astounding.  81% of it representing their total revenue is also astounding.  Matter of fact, this company should be on everyone&#039;s list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10B, that is astounding.  81% of it representing their total revenue is also astounding.  Matter of fact, this company should be on everyone&#8217;s list.</p>
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		<title>By: vern kehoss</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/how-goldman-sachs-is-trading-the-commodity-markets#comment-8393</link>
		<dc:creator>vern kehoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe kenneth feinberg, pay czar left G.S. off the restricted pay program.. They were a big reason for the crash this yr.with their gambling on derivatitives. And gambling with stock holders money besides. Of course they own the gov. now,with all the appointees in the cabinet.   The fall of the western empire....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe kenneth feinberg, pay czar left G.S. off the restricted pay program.. They were a big reason for the crash this yr.with their gambling on derivatitives. And gambling with stock holders money besides. Of course they own the gov. now,with all the appointees in the cabinet.   The fall of the western empire&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of indications it will be a cool winter and this will flush some of the gas out of storage (finally) - and the fact is, gas could go almost nowhere but up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of indications it will be a cool winter and this will flush some of the gas out of storage (finally) &#8211; and the fact is, gas could go almost nowhere but up.</p>
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		<title>By: bd59</title>
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		<dc:creator>bd59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, GS was calling for $200 crude when it was hitting it&#039;s highs in 08.
As profitable as they are, I can&#039;t imagine they were betting on $200 crude in
their own accounts. I&#039;ve heard more than one &quot;suggestion&quot; that their public
calls may not represent what they are doing with their own money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, GS was calling for $200 crude when it was hitting it&#8217;s highs in 08.<br />
As profitable as they are, I can&#8217;t imagine they were betting on $200 crude in<br />
their own accounts. I&#8217;ve heard more than one &#8220;suggestion&#8221; that their public<br />
calls may not represent what they are doing with their own money.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay (market folly)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay (market folly)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprising that their commods group did well... they acquired Commodities Corp back in the day, the legendary trading shop that produced the likes of Paul Tudor Jones, Bruce Kovner of Caxton Associates, and I want to say Louis Bacon of Moore Capital Management as well... some of the best global macro hedge funds out there. Bread &#039;n butter profits.

@marketfolly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprising that their commods group did well&#8230; they acquired Commodities Corp back in the day, the legendary trading shop that produced the likes of Paul Tudor Jones, Bruce Kovner of Caxton Associates, and I want to say Louis Bacon of Moore Capital Management as well&#8230; some of the best global macro hedge funds out there. Bread &#8216;n butter profits.</p>
<p>@marketfolly</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re a big hedge fund.  That&#039;s no secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re a big hedge fund.  That&#8217;s no secret.</p>
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