IS GOLD GOING TO $5,000?
By Jeff Clark Editor Casey’s Gold & Resource Report
Gold is once again above $1,200 and making new highs. And yet, Doug Casey thinks we’re just getting started, estimating gold could touch $5,000 before this is all over. A titillating thought, to be sure, but… how likely is that?
Gold’s latest rise stems from mounting fear that the Greek bailout will be followed by other euro-area countries queued for a me-too handout. In other words, gold is serving its historical role as a safe haven, a store of value, and an alternate form of money when governments recklessly plunge themselves heavily into debt and abuse their currency.
“But Jeff, $5,000 gold is a long way up,” the skeptics observe. “If you step back and look at the big picture, isn’t the gold price bubbly here?”
One way to test Doug’s thinking is to look at other simmering trouble spots that would similarly impact gold should they boil over. So, let us indeed review the big-screen events I believe could send gold a lot higher. See if you agree.
ONE: The PIIGS are not done squealing.
Greece’s Gordian Knot of public debt has not been solved. In fact, Moody’s is considering downgrading Greece’s debt to junk status, stating that the announced €750 billion aid package will be “inadequate to stabilize the problems in both Greece and Portugal.”
Ireland appears next likely to be downgraded. Spain and Italy are not far behind. And little reported is the European Central Bank (ECB) saying it will purchase billions of troubled assets from Europe’s largest banks as part of the rescue program. Where have we seen this before? And gee, it’s worked so well; 68 U.S. banks have failed so far in 2010, a full year after the government provided bailout money.
But it’s the long-term consequences of intended ECB actions that are most worrisome. “The ECB is going to crank up the printing presses,” says Anton Börner, head of Germany’s export federation. “In five to ten years we will have a weak currency, with rising inflation and higher rates of inflation that will act as a break on growth.”
Nouriel Roubini notes that “rising sovereign debt from the U.S. to Japan and Greece will ultimately lead to higher inflation or government defaults. While today markets are being worried about Greece, Greece is just the tip of the iceberg.”
So the obvious question is, what happens to the gold price as debt contagion spreads beyond Greece and the monetary effects of the bailout slam onto the shores of other European countries?
TWO: Knee-jerk confidence in the dollar keeps inflation at bay.
The U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio stands at 90.1%, and the projected 2011 budget deficit is $1.26 trillion or 7.1% of GDP. Total U.S. debt exceeds $55 trillion, over $180,000 per citizen, and the new healthcare legislation is expected to add another $1 trillion burden on the economy. These numbers put America in league with our squealing European friends mentioned above.
Plus, the U.S. monetary base was ballooned and remains over $2 trillion. Are we absolutely sure governments are done printing money? How will government leaders react if bank failures continue? Or commercial real estate crashes? Or state pensions begin to fail? Or unemployment remains in double digits?
It’s clear the U.S. dollar will suffer inflation due to high and growing debt-servicing costs, government payrolls, and unfunded entitlement promises. The U.S. can either default or inflate, and the former is unthinkable to a career politician. At some point – and we think it is fast approaching – global investors will see that U.S. indebtedness has reached unsustainable levels and exit the dollar, which today means selling bonds. Interest rates will be forced higher, and the U.S. will face its own Greek Moment.
So, what happens to the gold price when the dollar starts falling in earnest?
THREE: The public still doesn’t own much gold.
This may be the biggest one of all. To show just how small the investment in gold is on a worldwide scale, consider these facts:
- Jim Rogers reported that at a conference of 300 money managers last month, 76% admitted they still own no gold.
- Fund manager John Paulson is having difficulty raising money for his gold fund.
- Total investment in all forms of gold represents less than 1% of global financial assets. If investment demand merely doubles to 2% – something we see as easily attainable – it will have a powerful effect on the gold price.
What happens to the gold price when the public begins to clamor for it and a true gold rush gets underway?
FOUR: The Unknown Unknowns.
A boxing coach will tell you rule #1 is to not get fixated on the hand that’s punching you – because that’s when the other glove comes flying in and decks you, sending you down for the count.
It’s the unexpected event, the unforeseen catastrophe, the surprise punch that could catch us all off guard and send gold higher. And while we may like the green on our screen from a rising gold price, my fear is that an unexpected economic or monetary ambush could be serious enough that what the gold price is doing is a secondary affair.
Prepare for the unknown. And that, perhaps, is gold’s greatest strength – not that it can make you rich, but that it protects you and your family from unpredictable events that would otherwise be catastrophic.
Whether you agree or not that gold will reach $5,000 an ounce, don’t miss the point. Any number of events could send gold higher. And it is during calamitous times of crisis, devaluation, debasement, inflation, and the unknown that gold is needed most. Imagine the Greek worker who has one-third of his assets in gold right now; he may be smiling more than rioting.
I think the rise in price is sending us a message. And this is what I think gold is saying…
I won’t always be this cheap. If you don’t buy me soon, you may regret it. I may get less expensive in the short term, but don’t mistake that to mean I’m losing value or that everything is fine with your paper currencies or your economic future. What you’ve done to your fiat currencies will hurt you. What is coming to the price of things will overwhelm you. What the government has debased will haunt you. I’m here to protect your finances. I may be the only thing that can really do that.
You can be cautious about the price, but don’t be short-sighted about the purpose. Are you sure you own enough of me?
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From this article: “Jim Rogers reported that at a conference of 300 money managers last month, 76% admitted they still own no gold.” And one reason that they don’t own gold is that the usual investment models for valuing investments don’t work for gold. The basic investment valuation model is the discounted cash flow model. Since gold does not throw off dividends, interest payments, or any other cash payments, this basic model doesn’t work for gold.
Another method of valuing investments is by comparing prices with similar investments. There is no obvious comparable for gold. For example, the price of platinum may go up because of new demands for diesel engine catalysts. Gold is not used for such catalysts and would not be affected. The price of silver dropped when digital cameras took over from film cameras. There was no effect on gold since gold is not used in film making.
A third method for valuing investments is as if the investment were an option. In the case of gold, it’s difficult to decide what it would be option on. For example, often gold goes down when the U.S. dollar goes up, but sometimes it doesn’t.
The price of gold responds to news. How can you predict news? In fact, even if you could predict the news, you wouldn’t know how people would react to that news. For example, Greece has too much debt and starts an austerity program. If there is an austerity program, people have less money to spend. You might guess (incorrectly) that gold would go down on this news.
Gold is a tricky one. We hope gold does not go to $5000, as that would say we are going to Hell in a Hand Basket.
I’ve never know anyone to make money investing in gold, rather gold is a store of wealth. If inflation doubles, you are protected against price increases. Your house will protect you against inflation, once the real estate bubble has finished deflation. Also remember, gold can go down. Gold investors can lose money. I remember friends buying gold in 1979, had to wait almost 30 to break even.
ETF’s are not any better. If gold falls to $1000, ETF’s and gold stocks will go down sharly.
What does it cost to mine 1 oz of gold? Average is $600 per ounce. The higher the price of gold, the faster they will mine it. Supply and demand.
The USA hold 8000 tons of gold. If the IMF or USA sells a few dozen tons of gold, the price could fall fast.
I have 1 or 2% of my assets in gold and silver. A token amount. Gold could go to $2000 or $4000. It might. But if gold does go to $4000, will make the round trip back to $1000, once the fiancial crises is over. It always does. Bubbles alwasy deflate, eventually. I hate gold bugs. Promises of wealth. Never works. The litttle investor always comes late, is left holding the bag. Thus the term BAGHOLDER.
Wtf is gold? What BS. If you want a disaster hedge buy lead as people will be needing bullets. It is such a mystical commodity and is PURELY based on belief. Just like fiat currencies. If belief collapses, then the real value will be in what people NEED like food. Not fucking GOLD.
Then don’t buy any. People pay far, far crazier prices for far more nutty things in this world than turning over $1,250.00 for a troy ounce of .9999 fine Au. If you’re outraged over people over paying for things based on fantasy I’m sure you could find at least a thousand better examples in the market for common stocks.
The market doesn’t care what you or I thinks about gold. It only cares about the summation of all participant’s decisions. Obviously, there are still a lot of people who think gold is very valuable for various reasons.
I personally think the currency chatter regarding gold is absurd, but I respect the markets action and would never bet against it just because of personal opinion.
I know exactly what you mean. I would be more concerned about feeding myself and my family rather than preserving wealth. If it all kicked off and we had to fight for survival, it would be the farmers and those who knew how to run a small holding who would truly be wealthy.
Yeah, I’d rather have my 12ga Mossberg than a bar of gold when the sh*t finally hits the fan.
Lots of tears coming as gold tops out at these levels. Just too crowded a trade. One tell-tale sign: all the angry responses one gets on any bearish comment.
Most of the comments here are bearish.
I don’t see any angry responses.
The response to the following,
do you know how long it takes to bring a new mine to production? at least 5-10 years! Gold will become a bubble above $2000, but not now not yet.
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What does it cost to mine 1 oz of gold? Average is $600 per ounce. The higher the price of gold, the faster they will mine it. Supply and demand.
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Come on, are you still living in times before 2003?
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I’ve never know anyone to make money investing in gold, rather gold is a store of wealth.
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i live in africa where the true meaning of gold is.it is money in any curency .if the demand goes up do u really think that the production wil cope up so quickly. it would take a minium of 10yrs to catch up .the cost price of gold would never be the same (strikes unions) africa is the biggest supliers of gold. things in countrys in africa change overnight (zim) gold is on the up especially when u got china and india buying all the gold. the markets would take bout 5yrs 2 return 2 normal. greece spain who is next .america has a lot of gold but if they would have 2 sell it it would not be able still to pay off all the money they owe the imf gold is on the woy up ……..
this guy in africa knows more than most of the stock lovers here.
I am not ‘bearish’ on gold. I don’t pay much heed to it. All I am saying is the reasoning is absurd. People who are gold bugs say they own gold because it preserves wealth unlike fiat currencies. But fiat currencies only have value because people believe it does, just like gold. The things that have TRUE VALUE are things that are immediately needed such as food. That is why I think it is absurd because it is exactly like fiat currencies but it can’t be printed.
I love it when people say gold is a “crowded” trade. This just allows me to buy more gold shares at cheaper prices.
Gold will never be “crowded” as long as it is not considered a reserve currency. The potential failure of the Euro increases hope of that eventuality and therefore increases demand for gold. As long as the Euro is under pressure gold prices should be firm.
>> it is exactly like fiat currencies but it can’t be printed.
And you have just (unknowingly) pointed out the thing that makes all the difference.
So just because something cannot be printed or created means it should have such esteem and value?
yes, when historically it is THE fear asset bubble.
it is just something else to buy and sell.
what, we’re going back to dow 14,400 and house mansions selling like hotcakes?….soon?….why?….how?
one of you paper guys explain how…..it will be a fantasy.
just piled up more gold/silver after my trip to Asia. Just because most people in the western world trust the return from bonds and stocks, it does not mean that the rest of the world also do.
Many people in Asia only consider land(house) and precious metals as investment. They do not trust a piece of paper stating that you own a piece of something and you will receive returns in the future. Nowadays you don’t even get a paper, you just get a number in your computer.
It’s not just gold. All investment is about belief. You have to believe the system in order to calculate the return. In many part of the world, gold is definitely more trusted than paper money, stock or bond. The amount of money in these part of the world is huge. China alone has a higher M2 than U.S. now.
China does have over 4 times as many people that live in the U.S.
I love this discussion. Also love predicting where the Dow will be in 5 years, and what a gallon of gas will be in 5 years.
Bubbles come and go.
Bubbles are based on human emotion and amount of money to invest.
Without easy credit and liquidity – there will be no bubbles.
With Europe pumping 1 trillion Euros – the bubble will grow
The the USA pumping 12 trillion dollars – the bubble has grown
China, contiues to pump trillions – an ever increasing bubble
Where the bubbles will end – anyones guess.
One sign of the bubble ending – Failed treasury auctions.
Government influence can bubbles alive for longer than any rational person can fathom.
Gold can go to $2000 or $10,000. No one knows
Gold can crash back to $800. No one knows
A few contol gold. When they buy, gold will go higher
When they sell, gold will go lower.
The USA holds 8000 tonns of gold.
If the USA were to sell a few dozen tonns – the price will go lower
If the USA threatens to sell 1000 tonns, the price goes down fast.
Selling 1000 tonns would still leave the USA with 7000 tonns.
Anyone who uses margin is crazy.
An ounce of gold will buy a very nice mens suit
An ounce of gold will fill up your cadddy’s gas tank 25 times.
In 5 years – the ratio will be the same.
Most will buy gold after gold goes to $2000 or $3000.
those who buy at $2000 be bagholders, when the bottom falls out.
Warren Buffet, purchased gold at $250 – sold at $900
Buffet was smart. Most will be stupid.
You are right about Buffet. He bought low, sold high.
Is he buying at the moment?
I think not.
Markets feel jittery now, it could go either way very fast for every category of investments.
Until there are signs of hyperinflation I stick to cash and stay on the sideline for quiter times.
Good luck all
Goldielocks – You are correct, Buffet is smart. Buffet is not buying gold. He sold at a 300% profit.
Also remember, Buffet never bought into the teck bubble of the 1990′s. Buffet never made a profit on the tech bubble, nor did he lose.
The real question – How high will gold go ?
Gold will go a lot higher, with many correction to whip saw investors. The printing of US Dollars will cause inflation someday.
Only a few will make money buying gold. But with coming inflation, gold is a store of wealth, as long as you do not pay too much. Buying gold at $2000 or $3000 will be painful, and result in a loss, when gold prices go back down.
Prime real estate is a better hedge against inflation. Real estate will not go down forever. We are close to a bottom in real estate. Closer to the bottom, that the top.
Real estate will bottom sometime between now and the next two years. Gettos with no jobs, might never bottom. But prime real estate will go much higher, when inflation returns.
Gold is a risky bet. The stock market is a risky bet. Bonds are a suckers bet, when interest rates go higher, someday, no one will wants old bonds paying less than 5%.
Those who seek the safty of bonds with low yields, will learn an important lesson, when bond yields go higher.
I’m with you on the sideline. I see clear signals from any type of investment and if inflation starts, cash or short term money will just yield higher interest.
Currently owning stocks, gold or any metal is just a gamble and I’d prefer to do that in Las Vegas, at least you get a free drink there.
How high gold goes is anybody’s guess.
My question is, like every other bubble, when it pops, what does it crash down to? Does it eventually become the barbarous relic that it should be? Does this occur after the debt default phase is complete, fiat currency is once again seen as stable, and the smart money has left the retail investor holding the bag once again?
In regards to owning gold mining stocks, if gold did regain its status as the only “real” currency, would governments not just take ownership (without compensation) of these gold reserves for national security purposes? If they didn’t take them over outright, they would just tax the hell out of the “windfall” profits, so that it didn’t matter who legally owned the rights to the gold, the government would take all the profits over and above the actual cost to mine gold.
Even profits from gold holdings could be taxed at levels that in effect take all the benefit of owning gold out of the picture. And this could be a populist move that the masses are okay with because the majority of the gold will be owned by a relatively small percentage of the population, the elites. Even if it is the retail investor that is left holding the bag, these buyers will still only make up a small percentage of the overall population, and the majority of voters will have no problems with giving the government the okay to take away the wealth of the minority.
Average middle class investors should pay down debt, and if their children have significant equity in their homes and don’t want to sell, they should pay down their mortgages or become the new mortgage holders on these properties.
Otherwise, most retail investors could protect themselves by making sure that their savings are in deposit-insured GIC’s and just wait it out. You won’t get rich, but you will also not be wiped out chasing profits that won’t come until after you have been wiped out financially. Buy 5-yr GICs, and if opportunities to buy arise before then, you can then use the equity in your mortgage-free home to buy equities, and you’ll be able to write-off the interest to boot. And you can pay down the debt when your GIC’s eventually mature.
confiscation of actual coins is possible (they’re not coming after your class ring or bars or jewelers bars or my moms jewelry. don’t buy coins), taxing of windfall profits is possible…sell before this happens…..don’t be greedy
when everyone i know is buying gold and my mom’s card playing buddies are all in, i am selling.
europe will settle down, gold will dip, i will buy more.
oh, and if you are young and working, and expect inflation, don’t pay off debts, as they are fixed, and you will be getting more and more money to work.
and we will see inflation.
paying off debt and buying cd’s is good for someone retiring that can’t sleep being invested.
i’m retired but careful informed investing(lotta work) works for me.
TPC can keep you safe in the stocks.