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MARKET GURUS ON INFLATION AND DEFLATION

28 April 2010 by Cullen Roche 19 Comments

Great commentary as usual from Jeff Saut’s most recent weekly missive.  In it, Mr. Saut provides the differing opinions of several market experts on the big deflation vs. inflation debate.   As regular readers know, I am far from worried about inflation running out of control mainly due to continuing negative trends in the labor market, weak borrowing trends and the private sector’s debt induced weakness.  It’s always important, however, to get the perspective of several differing sources and Mr. Saut provides some excellent opinions.

First up was Dr. Lacy Hunt of Hoisington Investment Management:

“Dr. Hunt began by stating that the current conventional beliefs are: monetary/fiscal policy is wildly stimulative and therefore inflationary; our debt problems are behind us; and the current account deficit is going to explode with a concurrent dollar dive combined with higher interest rates. Lacy went on to suggest that all of those beliefs are false. Certainly the Federal Reserve has been expanding its balance sheet, but the velocity of money (the frequency with which a unit of money is spent in a particular period of time) has been cut in half. Consequently, M2 money supply is growing at its slowest rate in decades, which is not sufficient to promote sustained GDP growth (according to Lacy Hunt). Speaking to fiscal policy, Lacy stated that the government spending multiplier is less than 1 and the tax multiplier is actually negative. This means if taxes go up by $1 it takes more than dollar’s worth of spending out of the economy. Lacy concluded that if over indebtedness is the problem, how can taking on more debt be the cure? He believes the risk premiums are, and have been, insufficient to buy stocks and therefore bonds are his preferred investment.”

Paulson and Co. was represented by Claudio Macchetto.  Paulson’s firm has been wildly bullish since 2009 and is now in the v-shaped recovery camp:

“Refuting Dr. Hunt was Paulson & Company’s Claudio Macchetto, who is bullish on stocks, thinking we are in a sustained economic recovery that might even be V-shaped. While he put the odds of a double-dip recession at only 5%, he did suggest that sovereign debt defaults are a real risk. He continued by noting the government is “printing” its way out of the problem (money creation). He thinks this will foster an inflationary environment accompanied by an increase in the velocity of money. One interesting point Claudio made was that last quarter banks loosened their lending standards for the first time in 10 quarters.”

David Rosenberg is bearish as most of us know and expects deflationary pressures to continue in the coming years:

“Next was the always entertaining, and brilliant, David Rosenberg, who began talking about heightened volatility. Still, over the longer-term, David thinks the equity markets are not going anywhere. His reasoning is that because everything is priced off of nominal GDP, stocks will go nowhere since GDP growth is going to be very low. To be sure, we have an economic recovery largely due to the government’s simulation packages; however, it is temporary and the weakest ever (according to David). Like me, he thinks there is an asset “mix shift” toward income by the retiring baby boomers. He recommended protecting portfolios from his envisioned deflationary outcome by making certain portfolios throw off “income.” Rosie concluded by stating, “The day of reckoning is coming.””

Dr. Gary Shilling is equally bearish and maintains the same deflationary perspective:

“Like most of the speakers, Dr. Gary Shilling thinks deflation is the correct “call.” While his case rests on many “footings,” his major tenant is that the nation’s 25-year borrowing and spending binge is over as the retiring boomers focus on income. Gary stated that every half of a percent rise in the savings rate takes 1% away from GDP growth. Accordingly, he thinks we are in for a low growth environment combined with a whiff of deflation. For such an environment he likes investing in treasury bonds, consumer staples and food, small luxuries, the U.S. dollar, investment advisors and financial planners, factory built housing and retail apartments, healthcare, productivity enhancers, and North American energy companies.”

The most interesting commentary came from John Mauldin’s partner Jon Sundt.  Mr. Sundt spoke about the ways to play the potential fallout of inflation OR deflation.  Mr. Sundt believes market participants are best prepared for the coming ‘flation by investing in three buckets of long/short funds, global macro funds and managed futures funds.  I fully agree.  Hedging strategies should continue to produce excellent returns when compared to traditional buy and hold strategies over the coming decade:

“Plainly, the debate of the conference was deflation versus inflation with most participants coming down on the side of deflation. Yet as an investor, how do you position your portfolio to benefit from either outcome? That question was answered by John Mauldin’s partner Jon Sundt (CEO of Altegris). He began by talking about his surfing trips to Indonesia, where the trick is to bring the right surfboards for conditions. Typically Jon brings a big wave board and a small wave board. However, with them he always takes three “all weather” boards. Expanding on that analogy, he proceeded to discuss why historically equal amounts of money placed into three select “investment buckets” has had the best record of successfully navigating all market environments. Those “buckets” are a long/short equity sleeve, a global macro sleeve, and a managed futures sleeve. Jon suggested that an equal dollar investment in each of these vehicles should position portfolios for the best risk-adjusted performance under either outcome (inflation or deflation), and I agree.”

Source: Raymond James

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  • jenny

    TPC,

    Can you give an example of a long/short fund, global macro fund, and managed future fund. I am not sure I understand what they are. Thanks.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Check back tomorrow Jenny. I actually sleep believe it or not though China does a fine job keeping me awake these days….Always feel free to email me in case I forget to get back to you.

    • In Banking

      Although his recommendation for these three investment vehicles has merit, it’s actually largely out of reach of your average or even higher net worth individual.

      Equity Long/Short, Global Macro, and Managed futures are all Hedge Fund strategies. Of the three Global Macro is where you find the most successful traders/hedge fund managers in the world (people like Soros, Shaw, Cohen, etc). Managed futures are starting to come into the mutual fund world but they’d probably come with a heavy “load” (ie. management fees) as they employ CTAs (Commodity Trading Advisers) directly.

      To put it simply:
      Equity Long/Short Fund – basically what the name implies. These funds trade both the long and short side of equities and also employ hedging practices using options and such. This is the most common type of Hedge Fund

      Managed Futures Fund – this is a fund which employs CTAs to actively monitor and trade futures markets for all commodities and occasionally other investment vehicles associated with futures (ie. index futures). There are a few of mutual funds that closely replicate this Hedge Fund strategy

      Global Macro Fund – this is the “creme de la creme” of Hedge Fund strategies and basically a fairly small space with only a few really all-stars: funds that have a year over year performance of over 20% (after fees – admin fees of 2-5% and performance fees of 20-50%). These guys basically trade EVERYTHING – they keep a global outlook and use a “Follow the Sun” technique of essentially tracking the opening and closing of every market as the day progresses. They trade in a variety of different instruments from forward, futures and swaps in equities, currencies, commodities, fixed income, etc. These are generally the largest funds and one of the few categories of Hedge Fund strategies that didn’t lose money during the recession (some actually had amazing performances).

      To invest in Hedge Funds (which are limited to 500 investors as they are really LLPs) you usually need a minimum net worth of a million and a proven track record of successful trading. That’s merely for consideration to become an investor. Once in the fund, there are lots of different rules that essentially can delay or prevent your withdrawal of money sometimes up to a number of years (lockup periods, redemption periods, side pockets, etc). Even then, the most famous Hedge Funds are closed to new investors and are nearly impossible to get in to.

      • Anonymous

        Silly question, is GLRE a good vehicle to invest with David Einhorn. Thanks in advance!

        • In Banking

          Hmm, I wouldn’t say a silly question but it is a bit odd ;) GLRE isn’t really pertinent to this article in any way that I can think of…you are talking about Greelight Capital, correct?

          This is a Reinsurer (ie. an insurance company for insurance companies). In my opinion, fundamentally, I’ve always liked the reinsurers; they have heavy cash flows, and rarely see big drawdowns as they’re basically providing double actuary coverage. They have high profit margins generally a lot of cash on hand. That being said, the last couple of years have shown that these companies don’t always simply hold cash, but rather, assets (read: Mortgage Backed Securities). This is understandable considering that they want to supercharge returns and not simply hold cash. However the insurers and reinsurers got really really pummeled as the market was hitting bottoms. Of course, they’ve recovered. But in a recessionary environment, people tend to give up luxuries like insurance in favor of staples – like food and energy. So this is really an investment based on your outlook. Looking at the chart, this company has more than rebounded but they’ve also only been around a short while.

          I’d be careful on this play, maybe a small allocation. However, they do have an attractive P/E which leaves some good potential upside.

          Again though, this company isn’t really related to the article TPC posted…

          • Anonymous

            Thanks again for explanation. I would follow your advice to buy just a few shares. Really like David Einhorn after reading his book and speeches.

      • jenny

        In Banking, thank you for the explanation. It doesn’t sound like it’s for a regular retail investor.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Good reply by Banker. I would add that it is extremely hard for small investors obtain proper exposure to these strategies. Just off the top of my head there are a few funds which implement these kinds of strategies:

      PBP (buy write fund)
      HSGFX (Hussman Strategic – similar to long/short)
      QAI & MCRO (global macro replicators)
      RYMFX (Managed futures fund)

      I am super busy today with other stuff, but I’ll put a note in the article queue to write something about this in more detail.

      • Anon 1

        I have been an avid reader of this blog amongst several others such as mish, rosie, ritholtz, naked cap, pension pulse, carl futia, market folly, Jeff saut, between the hedges, etc. There is no one that can consistently forecast the future so the only true way to invest is to have a hedged portfolio like the one advocated by the late Harry Browne which consisted of equal parts of gold, stock, long term treasuries and short term treasuries. I strongly suggest everyone reads the harry browne thread over at the bogleheads website.

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  • jt26

    Good post.

    One thing I find odd is the inflation/deflation debate summarized above seems to ignore global (i.e. BIC) aspects …

    What’s your thoughts on retail-investable long/short funds … at least when I last looked at their performance (esp during the latest full market cycle), on the aggregate the performance was the same as holding cash with much higher volatility … I had a hard time proving to myself that the top funds actually had consistenly better Sharpe vs. a single winning theme for the observed time period by luck …?

    • Bernard

      Credit expansion has to exist at a much faster rate than what we currently have. Credit expansion to the point of unbridled irresponsibility is what created ths housing bubble, so I do not see credit expansion even coming close to the credit levels we previously had in the public-private sector anytime soon. Rents, wages, raw goods (demand outweighing supply) must all increase and currently we have deflation in rents and wages and fluctiations in the CPI indices. I still think the small cap sector will outperform the entire market over the next 6 months, but I think we see a bear slide for the next 2 years as spending dries up with peoples realized savings and income. The best small cap research can’t be found by your brokerages so you have to use the reports at http://www.microcapreports.com

  • Roger

    Informative post. I, too, hope you will elaborate regarding buckets of long/short equity, global macro, and a managed futures sleeves.

    Keep up the great work. I subscribe to many blogs, but TPC is the first one I read each and every day.

  • Revaluer

    Hi TPC,

    Another happy reader from Europe. You are on my daily menu, next to The Big Picture and Traders Narrative. Pity the Europeans and Asians lack this kind of information about their own markets – or am I wrong on that?

    Yes, a few fund possibilities for each bucket, preferably of the reasonable cost variety and funds that are open to overseas investors would be most welcome for me as well.

    One more question: can you disclose a little bit more on the expectations ratio that you frequently mention?

  • Samiam

    cullen,
    I agree with anon1 in that the only one that makes money on hedge funds is the manager that collects hefty fees. Invest in harry brownes portfolio. There is s fund that comes close but does not quite replicate it called the permanent portfolio (prpfx).

    All readers avoid the noise and read the bogleheads thread on harry browne as well as the crawlingroad blog.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      I would certainly expect you to agree considering you’re writing from the same IP address :-)

      Nonetheless, your comment is valid. The concept of the PRPFX is a good one though the fund doesn’t appear to provide outsized risk adjusted returns. I’d have to run some further analysis on it, but at first glance it just looks like a well diversified fund of funds of sort.

      I would vehemently disagree with your comments on hedge funds. Certainly, there are a vast majority of funds that don’t justify their fees, but there are also thousands of funds that more than justify them and provide unmatched diversity and strategy access that you just can’t find in other funds.

      For instance, there is not ONE single good hedge fund replicator fund that is accessible to the average investor. This is a personal example, but my personal portfolio is a very complex mixture of different strategies that provides me with unmatched diversity and non-correlated/low volatilty returns. It matches with MY personal investment goals and there is NOTHING like it in the investment universe. It can’t be replicated because the complexity/perspective/multi strategy approach can’t be replicated by any fund. Bad example, but there are thousands of investors running funds implementing strategies similar to mine that are far smarter than I am and have better access to capital, info and people than I do.

      In general though, your comments are more appropriate for the average investor seeing as most investors don’t qualify for hedge fund access to begin with…..

      • Humble Gentleman

        I’d look into Waddell & Reed’s Asset Strategy fund. It’s the closest I have found to replicating a hedge fund.

  • Heath

    TPC,
    I would challenge anyone to match the risk adjusted returns of HB’s permanent portfolio as mentioned above. See this website for further info.

    A 9.7% annual return with only two losing years since 1972 is pretty DSMN GOOD! Show me a hedge fund that has as good a long term track record as this.

    http://crawlingroad.com/blog/2008/12/22/permanent-portfolio-historical-returns/

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Definitely impressive. It’s VERY hard to find a hedge fund with a track record that far back (seeing as hedge funds have only become mainstream in the last 20 years). Berkshire Hathaway is the most obvious example. Dunn Capital Management has also compounded at 19.5% since 1974. The other funds I’d throw out as my favorites have much shorter timeframes.

      PP definitely has impressive returns. Not discounting it.