MORE DETAILS ON EURO TARP….
Bring on the Euro TARP!
So it looks like we’re headed towards a Euro TARP. Rumors all day today make it sounds like they’re going to use something similar to the aggregator bank in the USA with a special purpose vehicle. What does it all mean? It means we’re essentially going to leverage up the current EFSF and broaden its influence. This will work in several ways. The two primary effects of this leveraged EFSF is the ability to provide increased funding for (austere) periphery budgets. In addition, it will likely offer some form of bank recapitalization by allowing banks to sell sovereign debt for SPV/EFSF debt (in essence, swapping toxic debt for AAA debt – sound familiar?). So, it’s a bank recapitalization plan AND an increase in the funding capacity of the EFSF. That’s actually a good start although it doesn’t ultimately close the loop on the crux of the problem.
Deja vu all over again!
This is really similar to the American bank bailout plan. It WILL solve the credit crisis. But it will not solve the underlying problem. In the USA, the underlying problem was a household debt crisis. We thought it was a banking crisis so we focused our efforts on the banks. We went on to fix the banks, but we never fixed the households. So, we still have a broken economy and a balance sheet recession. The issue in Europe is a bit more complex, but still very similar. Europe has an inherent imbalance due to a broken currency system. The lack of a balancing mechanism (fiscal transfer union or floating FX) results in the same sort of trade imbalances and sovereign debt crises that we used to see under the gold standard. This plan doesn’t appear to acknowledge this as the root cause of the problem. That’s highly disconcerting.
Will this sort of a plan work?
Well, it depends on who you ask. From the perspective of the core, it will work swimmingly. Their banks will get recapitalized and saved from the brink of disaster while they also impose austerity on the periphery. As I mentioned yesterday, this plan is incredibly bullish from a market perspective (at least in the near-term) because it removes the worst case scenario from the table for now and should be bullish for the banks which have become the epicenter of the crisis. But it’s an entirely raw deal for the periphery nations who will still be forced into austerity and certain economic weakness. But most importantly, it doesn’t fix the EMU. The problem here is that the banking crisis is an extension of the currency crisis. So, the inherent imbalance in the EMU is creating the sovereign debt crisis (by necessity) and thus leading to a banking crisis. Fixing broken banks doesn’t fix the broken EMU.
So, it’s America 2.0. Fix the banks, give Main Street the middle finger and move along. Nothing to see here. The good news is that this plan might just buy them enough time to generate a sustainable fix. On October 17-18 the EU will discuss a potential move towards further fiscal union. This is ultimately the direction that Europe must head in if they are going to make the EMU work. If they can’t put together a sustainable fix then the current crisis will simply resurface at a later date as the inherent imbalances remain and continue to pressure these economies.
What are the risks?
The largest risk is periphery revolt. If, for instance, Greece were to recognize that the Germans are getting a bank bailout and Greece is getting FURTHER austerity, you can imagine how this might exacerbate already angry Greek citizens. There’s no telling where this would lead. But the risk of a citizen led default and defection scenario has to be considered.
Economic weakness is likely to persist under this plan. That means the growing tensions will linger and boil. Without a sustainable fix the war of words between north and south will continue to become increasingly heated. Ultimately though, this is a stabilization plan. It is not a stimulus. In other words, it stops the bleeding, but doesn’t provide a transfusion per se. And the patient is still very sick.
The ratings agencies could view this for what it is – debtors helping debtors. Ultimately, the EMU needs to eliminate the solvency risk via a supranational entity that has no traditional solvency risk (as in not being able to pay). That means some form of Federal Government as the USA has. The current plan involves indebted nations helping other more highly indebted nations. The credit rating agencies could see this as a risk to core sovereign credit (which is exactly what it is). Ultimately, the EMU is not AAA because they do not have the ability to tax and spend at the EMU level. This means the countries are all revenue constrained and remain currency users by virtue of politics.
Conclusion
In sum, this looks like a start, but not a fix. Like the original EFSF, this plan will have teeth. But let’s not sugarcoat it. This is a kick of the can even if it’s a swift kick. The real resolution lies in measures not confronted by this plan. And until then, we can expect economic weakness and turmoil to ravage Europe as the inherent imbalance remains in place.






Cullen, awesome summary. I think you nail the key point here. The biggest difference between the EURO TARP and the USA TARP is that it was combined with a stimulus package. This isn’t at all stimulative. Instead, it just stops the bleeding.
Do you have any other thoughts on that? Thanks.
Where is the money coming from?
It’s coming from the various EU nations.
And this thing will just leverage up the already leveraged countries by selling new bonds against EFSF collateral. If we were working within reality, the EFSF would probably be a B– grade bond after all of this. But the credit ratings agencies will rate it highly because they’re idiots.
So, they are leveraging AAA counties with lots of new debt and not providing a stimulus for growth while leaving the root cause of the problem in place. This can only be seen as a good solution if you maintain a time horizon measured in weeks.
the germans will see this as morphing the monetary union into a transfer union. this they did for germans with german unification. this they will not do for southern europe.
“..you can imagine how this might exacerbate already angry Greek Citizens”
If I wasn’t married I’d take advantage of U.S dollar strength and convert to Euros. I would fly to Athens and hop over to Santorini and Mykonos. When the revolt happens I’d offer my own solvency solutions to those Greek Women who are Currency restrained.
Besides my Milk Production idea I tried to patent this is the second idea that could disolve my marriage. Thank God my wife hates economic websites.
Great news! This allows me to sell off the few stocks I have remaining during the relief rally.
Rosie pointed out this morning that Europe is valued close to where the SPX was in the summer of 1982. “at a 26-month low and a mere 8x P/E multiple”
So i mentioned we bought 25% this morning SPY..were down to 22% cash and were looking at Gold, Europe…and possible European Banking ETF. One mans junk is another mans treasure. Hate the game not the player.
We can’t have stock market recovery without the banks being stabilized.
We wouldn’t need a stock market recovery if it weren’t for the banks.
The economies problem is that they think it’s the banks that need to be stabilized.
Why should we stabilize an entity which does everything it can to be unstable. I guess stability is the act of protecting poor stewards of capital.
If you want to stabilize the banking sector…..then let them receive the full benefit of their stewardship via reorganization.
It’s too bad Giovanni di Simone is dead. He’s the only architect who could save the tower of Pisa( I mean our banks)
So, will individual European leaders that sponsor this EFSF funding effort get re-elected, or is this political suicide?
“Fixing broken banks doesn’t fix the broken EMU.”
Cullen, Cullen, Cullen… you’re a little slow on the uptake there. Fixing broken banks is the goal. The only goal.
Most of us want a real economic fix so we can continue building our net worth. Some of just want to protect the wealth they’ve already accumulated. Guess which side the politicians are mostly on….
off topic, but is anyone following Australia? i see it’s down 20% recently, but their housing bubble has only begin to pop, and if Wray is right about the commodity bubble, it would seem they are in for some serious trouble
Ive been shorting Ewa with the idea that they will get hammered if china slows down.
Australia (All Ordinaries index of Stock Market) is at a median bottom based on data since 1984 (the free stuff from Yahoo Finance), but there is no sign of an uptrend. Commodities, AUD and the All Ords fell together in 2008 so dangerous for a US investor to go bottom picking and be wrong. I’d suggest waiting for an uptrend before buying. You have to decide whether you will follow a short or longer term moving average, or MACD or other indicator to judge that there is now an uptrend.
Our construction approvals are presently in a 12 month moving average downtrend which is not generally a good sign for 4 to 8 months forward.
I am less bearish on housing – I don’t think it is a buy, but I don’t see a crash although a longer term nominal stagnation and real value fall is possible. You need to understand how most Australian housing mortgage interest rates “automatically refinance” (not really but it might help understand it) to lower rates within 1 month after the Reserve Bank of Australia (our Fed) cuts rates. Rising unemployment is our real risk to housing. We have already had a major adjustment in household savings rates.
See the last two articles on my blog re where the Aussie stock market is and what it’s current trends are. I recommend a skim of the last 3 articles:
http://thortsoninvesting.blogspot.com/
Is this plan real, or is it just another phantom like the last one? How many Parliaments have to approve it? I’ve heard this story before too many times. We need details.
Of course I am biased. I would like to see a big EZ crash to create nice bargains. The “powers that be” don’t like crashes. But investors who are currently in mostly cash do.
>>And the patient is still very sick
Yeah, its called centralism. Why stay in an unhappy marriage, with someone you don’t like and don’t even understand? Especially if she keeps maxing out the credit card and telling you where you can’t put your muddy boots? The rules they live by, would be decided by bureaucrats thousands of miles away
The real markets, the commodity markets are all the rage for good reason. Alaska and Alberta have more in common than the useless teats in Washington and Ottawa.
Its time to leave the pseudo-intellectuals like Roche and Wray behind in the dustbowl they so richly har har deserve. They have nothing to offer except poverty.
“why stay unhappy in a marriage you don’t like”
You wrote that..right? Hillbilly…Right?
Tell us all the answer. Why do you come here..unhappy commenting over and over again.
I wish you would at least recognize your traffic helps he you hate..
You really think this is a reality TV show…you watch and hate. Then record the season and sit around talking about us like were the kardasians….
Fine..I’m Scott disik. That guy parties…and I hate to do this to you Cullen..but your chris jenner.
I love you hillbilly..you make me feel smart.
Germany’s top judge says no without new Constitution and Referendum. German legislature would be in violation of the German constitution and people. A slight money wrench.
Market rallies anyway, ask questions later. This is the definition of a bull market – attack recklessly after seeing red (the losses of the previous week).
Explorer, thanks for sharing. I would simply caution that any “its different here” excuse should be thoroughly questioned. Housing creates lots of jobs – once the building of new houses slows or stops, those jobs go away putting a new unemployment pressure on the market. As home purchasing drops, people also stop buying refridgerators, granite counters and furniture. Moving companies have less business. Morgage brokers and realtors lose income. Presumably all of those people are homeowners who now have to sell – so auto-refi or not, they can’t afford their mortgages and become distress sellers. Then, if Randall Wray is correct about the commodities bubble – isn’t that a big driver of employment in Australia? Now you have two employment problems – and with house price to income ratios so out of whack, that would mean a NASTY pop of the bubble.
After I posted my initial question I did a bit of research, and Steve Keen has a bank shorting ad. Although I can’t tell if it is an ad, or his product. He appears to be endorsing it on debtwatch. If so he’s really putting his money where his mounth is. I know he’s been predicting the bubble burst or a while now, and it seems to me that he’s been wrong because the Gov provided massive housing stimulus. The US did that well into our bubble and it put a temporary bottom in – only to be short lived and end up with a double dip.
Again, sorry off topic. But I’m really interested in China and AUD and Euro gets all the attention so I’m looking for sources if anyone has them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8790785/German-turmoil-over-EU-bail-outs-as-top-judge-calls-for-referendum.html
Leveraging was one of the core causes of the banking crisis. Which in turn sparked and intensified the debt crisis – because stupiditly, the political ‘elites’ of the world spend trillions of taxpayer’s money to bail otu banks. Which of course increased the nations debts. So: leveraging served only the finance industry.
To allow now the EFSF to leverage must be an idea by the finance industry. It is sort of a CDO, one of the weapons of financial mass destruction. As Cullen remarks correctly: “it’s America 2.0. Fix the banks, give Main Street the middle finger and move along”
This post is the best summary of the European situation that I’ve read. I particularly like the America 2.0 theme, which helps put both crises into perspective.
We are headed for a Euro TARP? Says who, Liesman?
Honestly, do you really think Germans will foot a $1 trillion bill to save primarily french banks?
Don’t you think it is much more palatable, from a financial and political perspective, to use such vast sums of money to bailout your own banks?
I may be wrong, but this to me is not TARP at all – unless it can somehow not have to include Spain, Italy and soon France. Look at total assets of the 20 largest European banks and compare that to the asset values for American banks. This is orders of magnitude larger than TARP.
Too linear an argument to equate US issues in 2008 to Europe in 2011 and conclude that TARP will be approved there and will end the credit crisis. It is soo much more complex than that.
Cullen,
Are you still overriding your algo’s buy signal?
I sold all Tsys last week and bought some German stocks yesterday….But I am not heavily long here….Just playing equities for a brief blip here as the market recovers some of the “worst case scenario” losses…
Thanks for the update!
This is something I’ve always been fuzzy on.
What’s the exit strategy for the toxic assets that were swapped under TARP and would be swapped under this plan in Europe for AAA debt? At what point does the central bank swap those toxic assets back? To whom? For what? Was part of the deal that those banks would take back the toxic assets once they had shored up their balance sheets and the economy was more stable? Or is there no plan/idea/strategy for this?
Just curious.
AFAIK, there is no exit strategy. If the Fed bought a 10 yr toxic instrument, then it will potentially remain at the Fed for 10 yrs. Unless the economy shifts, and they can sell it into a better market. But as long as the Fed can make enough profit on other issues to make up for the potential losses on the toxic stuff, there is no set “exit point” for these items. And due to recent changes (made after these absorptions) the Fed doesn’t even need to be profitable anymore. Fortuitous perhaps?
It’s like a roach motel – roaches go in, but they don’t come out. The Fed’s balance sheet is where this stuff will likely die. AFAIK, officially the only deal was, “We’ll take your crap for 100 cents on the dollar. Have a good day”.
The Fed is the Yucca Mountain of radioactive financial instruments.
Danka.
Sidenote: Didn’t the Yucca facility get nixed?
Well … yeah … there is that … but I gotta use the universally recognized metaphors available to me. I mean there’s Onkalo, but who besides beowulf has heard of it? A metaphor only one guy will chuckle at … just won’t do.
Didn’t mean to take away from the accuracy of the metaphor. It’s a great way to think of it if you really understand the Fed.
re: “In the USA, the underlying problem was a household debt crisis. We thought it was a banking crisis so we focused our efforts on the banks. We went on to fix the banks, but we never fixed the households. So, we still have a broken economy and a balance sheet recession.”
I think that’s a bit of oversimplification because we didn’t really fix the banks and the underlying problem was more than a household debt crisis. I’m probably just nitpicking as I’m sure you understand there’s more involved and you’re just trying to make a point. However, I don’t think we should underestimate how much control fraud contributed to the crisis. William Black has a new article up at NEP on how it continues to this day as seen in the Solyndra debacle.
Brillant summary Cullen, thank you.
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WSJ said that one aspect of the Eurozone bailout being considered (and pushed by Geithner?) will be to give the EFSF a banking license so that it can buy sovereign debt, pledge it as collateral to the ECB so as to borrow more keystroke euros so as to buy more sovereign debt, pledge it as collateral so as to borrow more keystroke euros etc. This gets around the messy details of treaties, voters etc. with a tidy pyramid scheme.
The powers that be will find a way to a bailout, because in Western economies pain is unthinkable. Remember the Asian crisis in 1998? The West told the Asians to take the pain; they did; and they were thriving again within a year or two of sharp and painful adjustments. Instead of taking that route and bailing out Main Street to help dull the pain during reform, the USA bailed out Wall Street instead to avoid the pain. It was a strategic mistake and a gross misallocation of keystroke capital.
JWG, I always enjoy reading your posts.
I’m with Frenchy.
I enjoy reading your thoughts JWG.
You’ve helped me. Thanks
I am glad someone finds value in my thoughts; it feels good. This site has helped me a great deal in grasping the realities of monetary operations, and the comments provide excellent insight even when I disagree with them. It has made me realize how shallow most of the purported economic experts really are. It must be a lot of work for TPC to keep the cranks and trolls away, and for that I thank him.
By Brian Parkin
Sept. 27 (Bloomberg) — German Economy Minister Philipp
Roesler said that proposals to further leverage the European
rescue fund are “off the table.”
Roesler, who heads Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Free
Democratic Party coalition partner, made his comments to
reporters in Berlin today after his parliament group was briefed
by Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, a Christian Democrat
like Merkel.
Legislation to enhance the European Financial Stability
Facility as agreed by European leaders at a July summit won the
support of a “large majority” of FDP lawmakers ahead of a vote
in parliament on Sept. 29, Roesler said.
Passing the EFSF legislation will lead to “a strengthening
of Germany’s position, and above all it marks an end to the
massive intervention by the ECB to stabilize markets,” Rainer
Bruederle, FDP floor leader, told the same briefing.
If the EFSF becomes a larger part of the system, a name change would be much appreciated. EFSF is a terrible acronym that refuses to roll of the tongue no matter how many times one tries to say it.
Hold on – the European banks are loaning the money to the EFSF/SPV which then uses the proceeds to buy distressed sovereign debt off the banks’ books. This isn’t reducing their exposure to sovereign debt at all except for the new layer of EFSF/SPV capital that will be added on top of the distressed sovereign assets.
Really confused on how this is benefiting European banks except to the extent that (1) EFSF capital is now explicitly going towards recapitalizing the banks, (2) holding EFSF/SPV bonds rather than distressed sovereign debt bonds lets the banks use those EFSF/SPV bonds as collateral to tap ECB liquidity.
This plan in reality represents no new commitment by any of the strong Eurozone countries beyond what they had already committed to in the EFSF. I think the market is really reading this wrong here.
Buy the rumor, sell the fact.
But which rumor? And which fact? This whirligig could go in any direction…
Theory, meet reality …
Split opens over Greek bail-out terms
Seven eurozone members press for banks to pay more
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/69902e72-e926-11e0-af7b-00144feab49a.html#axzz1ZALufN3M
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/69902e72-e926-11e0-af7b-00144feab49a.html#axzz1Z8Ws7kxG
The problem with getting long stocks here is they can be sunk in an instant.The simple fact is the Germans and indeed their European counterparts just can’t get their shit together.Geitner must be spiting blood.
I can’t speak for anyone else ,but I’m doing nothing until these guys can actually agree what time of day it is.
If I had to guess about where this is going I could only surmise on their performance to date that they are going to trigger something nasty and it will take that to get them to shut up and behave with some cohesion.
It seems like the German citizens are more intelligent than Geithner gives them credit for. I am skepitcal that the EU will politically be able to transfer the European bank losses from private hands to the european governments. At least, I hope that is the case. It makes no sense to reward incompetence and bail out private investors. Take over the banks, wipe out the creditors, and then re-capitalize them with new capital. It’s not difficult.
Can Western economies in 2011 accept the pain that reform will cause in the short run? When the spreads between Greek and German debt were very small, the Greeks borrowed with abandon. If Eurozone bonds are ever issued, what makes us think that Greece will not want to go down that path again? Cheap credit fosters its own demand in most (but not all) cases.
Using keystroke money from central banks to help the real economy reform, and to help the working and middle classes, and small businesses, make the painful transition to a more competitive economy, makes far more sense than using trillions in keystroke money to keep Wall Street and its European equivalent fat and sassy while continuing to finance the retirement of Greek hairdressers and public employees at age 50. We are focusing on, and helping, exactly the wrong groups of people.
We must get Wall Street off welfare, and put working class and middle class people back to work (including retired Greek hairdressers and public employees). The rich, and Wall Street, can take care of themselves.
Thumbs up. I Facebook-like this..
German finance minister says “stupid idea”.
Great discussion guys. And please tell me: where do YOU go to learn about monetary policy? I studied Economics and Public Policy in graduate school, but I never covered monetary systems. Would greatly appreciate your suggestions. I’m looking into the Austrian school at mises.org, for example. Other ideas?
The Austrian school has some great components but I would recommend you start here. http://pragcap.com/resources/understanding-modern-monetary-system
Thanks Cullen. New fan of your site!