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PETER THIEL: THE RECOVERY IS ENTIRELY FAKE

29 September 2009 by Cullen Roche 8 Comments

High profile hedge fund manager Peter Thiel is speaking out after reports emerged that his firm was floundering as the markets ripped higher.  Thiel, a master of understanding secular trends believes the rally is built on quicksand – a stance he not alone in taking.   Thiel told the WSJ yesterday that the rally was not real:

“The recovery is not real,” he says. “Deep structural problems haven’t been solved and it’s unclear how we will create jobs and get the economy growing again — that’s long been my thesis and it still is.”

Of course, this sounds all too familiar to regular readers.  Thiel is dead right about the long-term problems that the U.S. is confronted with.  Unfortunately for Mr. Thiel’s investors he has had a difficult time trading around these themes.  Thiel’s fund Clarium was up 50% as of the middle of last year, but finished the year with slight losses.  Even his deep pessimism couldn’t protect him from the collapse in Q3 as his commodity heavy fund got pummeled.  The fund is now sitting on a 40% peak to trough (?) draw-down – a massive and potentially life threatening draw-down for such a large and respected fund.

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But Mr. Thiel has unwavering faith in his positions which include a re-emergence of the fear trade:

“The government has helped stabilize the banking system, but I’m not sure we have a path toward sustainable growth,” partly because consumers are dealing with debt and other issues, even as an energy crisis looms, he says. “It always feels unpatriotic to be negative. But too few people are focused on the real problems.”

As we often hear, the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.  Investors would be crazy to bet against Thiel in the long-run, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t more near-term pain for the ultra negative investors….

Source:  WSJ

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Comments
  • James

    The fear trade could easily occur again if the government confirms it will ‘need’ to establish another stimulus. Wilbur Ross thinks that the U.S. is going to need another stimulus because consumers won’t begin spending with what stimuli is already in place:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/33068715

  • MS

    Thiel will ultimately be proven right, but he is standing on the train tracks if he’s betting against the banks right now. They’re manipulating this market every day.

  • Aki_Izayoi

    Clarium had a 4.5% LOSS in 2008. And they were up 57.9% at the end of June 2008 so they lost about 48% from their peak. Imagine all the people who put in money in Clarium during June 2008.

    Does anyone have access to Clarium’s other letters or had contact with Thiel? Does anyone know why Clarium went 100% long (in financials, google, and yahoo) and probably some equity futures that weren’t in their security filings in September 2008?

    Also, Peter Thiel is a nice mascot for the anti-immigration movement. I dislike immigation because Thiel dislikes immigration.

  • Eric

    Its about mark up time…aapl to 190 gs to 190 jpm to 47…

  • SAB

    It is sooo blatantly obvious. Every SINGLE day, MS, ever since that “forced bottom in March” to rout out any potential initial non-participants. How about the implications? In the meantime, we patiently wait for the Bloomberg verdict and the consequences of Congressman Ron Paul’s latest bill.

  • Sherman McCoy

    The market is rigged? I am shocked! Reread Reminiscences of a Stock Operator.If a position is showing a loss, don’t add to it. It doesn’t matter why. Trend followers are pushing this string, pyramiding their longs. It wil certainly end badly, but not until you are forced to cover.