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RAB CAPITAL: “MASSIVE” DECLINE IN YIELDS COMING

7 September 2010 by Cullen Roche 20 Comments

The bond bubble theorists aren’t going to be happy about this report from RAB Capital.  Their analysts believe there is room for a “massive decline” in government bond yields in the coming years as central bankers attempt to fend off deflation. Bloomberg elaborated on the report:

“Interest rates cannot go up meaningfully for a very long time” in either country, the report said. U.S. Treasury yields have yet to fall far enough relative to the Fed’s target rate for loans between banks to reflect this prospect, he wrote. The same holds true for yields on U.K. gilts by comparison with the Bank of England’s base rate, in his view.

The 20-year Treasury yield ended last week at 3.49 percent after declining 1.2 percentage points from this year’s high, set on April 5. Twenty-year gilts yielded 3.91 percent after falling 0.83 point from a Feb. 19 peak. The gaps between the yields and benchmark rates — 3.24 points and 3.41 points, respectively — were still close to 40-year highs, according to the report.

“Further purchases of bonds by central banks can only accelerate this inevitable adjustment” in yields, Joshi wrote, adding that the bull market in fixed-income securities “is far from over.”

The Fed may have to buy more debt to head off deflation, according to Joshi, who described this so-called quantitative easing as “the greatest pawn-broking scheme” ever implemented. Fed policy makers decided last month to keep the central bank’s securities holdings at $2.05 trillion by reinvesting proceeds from maturing mortgage-backed bonds into Treasuries.

It’s an interesting chart and analysis, however, the one thing I would point out is that rates tend to converge (1:1) when the Fed is fighting off an inflation threat.  The periods shown on the above chart shows when the Fed raised rates substantially and inverted the yield curve.  In other words, the bond market was less concerned with inflation than the Fed was.   Perhaps more importantly, however, the economy was smoking hot when rates converged.  While I don’t disagree that rates are likely to remain low for some time, the implication that rates could converge appears a bit misleading.   10 year rates in Japan are sub 1% after 20 year of malaise while the overnight rate remains near zero.  Are we headed there?  I am not that pessimistic, but “extended period” appears to be an appropriate description of the current interest rate environment.   “Massive decline” in yields?  Let’s hope not.

Source: Bloomberg

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  • Jo

    I think they’re right but I would just point out that RAB bought, and held-to-nationalisation, a whole chunk of Northern Rock equity.

  • Cowpoke isxcowpoke

    Man I hope this Bond Bubble keeps growing, I would like to refi my 30 @sub 2% and buy another property at a distressed price.

  • jt26

    Come on. To be credible, you really have to know something more than that chart … like, duh, where you are in the business/econo cycle …?

  • first

    “massive decline in government bond yields ”

    All Bubble are rationalized until they finally pop and when they do none of the argumentations makes one tiny difference.

    Johnson & Johnson sold $1.1 billion of bonds “at the lowest rates ever” for 10-year and 30-year corporate debt securities do you think they are stupid ?

    “at the lowest rates ever” but RAB Capital expects “massive decline”

    Not so long ago a breeze in the golf would make oil move up $12.00 Intraday now a hurricane forcast won’t even make it budge.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      Don’t make the mistake of comparing govt debt with corp debt when I refer to a bubble. 90% of my anti govt bond bubble argument is based on this idea that the USA is not insolvent and will pay its bondholders at maturity.

      The same cannot be guaranteed for corporations. You must take this on a case by case basis. USA Inc. is not insolvent and will be good on its 10 year bonds when they come due.

      Is there a bubble in corporate or municipal debt? You could probably make an argument for certain pockets of irrationality….

  • first

    TPC

    I understand that the USA is not insolvent my concern is what is making it solvent.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      What makes the USA solvent? How about being able to tax the stream of income that represents 25% of all world output. Talk about a golden goose!

      • slightly_skeptical

        “How about being able to tax the stream of income that represents 25% of all world output.”

        TPC, isn’t this statement refuting your MMT view that governments don’t need to tax in order to spend including interest on debt? You can’t have it both ways, either they can or they can’t – in the long term.

        • Cullen Roche TPC

          I have never said the govt doesn’t need to tax. In fact, I have said that they do need to tax in order to control aggregate demand. I have said they don’t tax to fund themselves. Important distinction. The fact that they tax the productivity of the United States helps to create demand for the currency and maintains its use.

          • slightly_skeptical

            TPC, fair enough I see your distinction. However this may restrict those that live and transact within this country, but what about those abroad and those that do business with US companies – there is nothing preventing them from demanding transactions be denominated in a different currency. That being said, without more information such as the size of US dollar denominated transactions abroad and trade related versus the size of the domestic economy it’s hard to know the impact of losing reserve currency status, which mind you won’t happen overnight.

            • Cullen Roche TPC

              I don’t see why this would be the case though. People fail to realize that dollars represent the underlying strength and productive output of the USA. That is an enormously powerful thing. Yes, they are just pieces of paper, but that doesn’t mean they don’t represent real underlying wealth and productivity. Holding dollars give you access to buy goods and services from a highly productive, innovative and stable economy. That’s a pretty valuable thing in my opinion. Dollar demand only plummets if the govt prints well in excess of productive capacity or the productive capacity of the USA dies.

              That’s how I see it anyhow….

  • first

    TPC
    It’s my take.

    I may be wrong but I sense that sometime late next year the money base will move in to the money supply and we will be in a kind of prolong stagflation.

    • Cullen Roche TPC

      In this sort of environment (balance sheet recession) an increase in the money supply would require a private sector recovery. That means stronger economy, more jobs, no more USA is insolvent chatter, marginally higher inflation and fear mongering websites that go out of business (or transition into convincing you that the booming economy is fake and that hyperinflation is right around the corner).

  • Watch this you tube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOB3ej2a2C8 It shows exactly what will happen to the bond market. By the time people want to get out out it will be to late.

    Just a matter of time.

  • first

    Talk about killing the golden goose!

    You know they don’t need to do that.They print the stuff.

  • Gerald P

    All happening while we are becoming a 3rd world nation. Our exports are in agriculture, wheat, corn, beans, lumber, chicken, beef,etc. Imports are manufactured goods, clothes, TVs, computers, cars, etc. High unemployment, a small very rich elite class, and a government crippled by lobbying and uneducated voters from inadequate schools.

  • AWF

    RAB Capital makes the mistake of comparing the UK to the US

    2 different approaches to economic prosperity.

    The Conservatives in the UK are going for the austerity program which could work as long as they reduce government spending at twice the decline in their GDP.

    We here in the US are going for the “Print baby Print” program which can also work if the Money goes to usefull projects that help all the states equally.
    Of course this requires “honest men” in government
    have you seen any in DC?

  • GB

    Gerald P. Doesn’t that market export/import scenario represent where we started 234 years ago….

  • goodfriend

    @ Gerald P: that ‘s a plutonomy, refering to a research note made by citigroup back in 2005. Putting all cynism aside, this note is interesting.

    read it here (or elsewhere for a pdf): http://www.scribd.com/doc/6674234/Citigroup-Oct-16-2005-Plutonomy-Report-Part-1

    Doesn’t the question of economic recovery raise other questions such as : where is money going? which economic actors have the most GDP/wealth creation effective expenditure ? Which are the expenses creating more real economic growth (and not asset bubbles)? Where is govt money going ? to sum it up: what is the optimal revenue allocation amongst society in regards with global growth ?

  • Willy2

    No, yields won’t go lower.