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ROSENBERG: FADE MEREDITH WHITNEY’S MUNI CALL

17 January 2011 by Cullen Roche 18 Comments

David Rosenberg isn’t buying Meredith Whitney’s dire analysis of the municipal bond market in the USA.  He’s calling it a “huge long-term buying opportunity”:

“There is a clear buyers’ strike in the market for state and local government debt that is largely based on fear and misperception. The mass selling of muni’s, which represent the bedrock of the U.S. economy, is incredible ― nine consecutive weeks of net redemptions totalling $16.5 billion ($1.5 billion in the January 15 week). Talk about fertile ground for a huge long-term buying opportunity.

First, even if you buy into the default talk, look at the yield protection you get now. There are some long-term muni’s trading north of eight percent ― even higher than junk bonds (a premium of over 100bps!). Long-term AAA-rated muni’s are now trading well north of five percent or 116% vis-a-vis Treasury bonds (typically, muni bond yields are equivalent to 82% of Treasury yields given their tax advantage). California off-the-run 30-year 6% bonds are now being quoted at a yield premium to dollar-denominated debts offered by the likes of Mexico and Columbia.

Give me a giant break.

Even in California, only teachers come in front of bond holders. In other states, the debt holders are the first to get paid. It’s amazing how few people know that.

The spurious reasons beyond default concerns is that the lower levels of government are saddled with a huge supply calendar (partly because of the expiration of the federal Buy America Bonds subsidy). But in truth, new issuance this year at an estimated $350 billion is lower than the $439 billion in 2010.
If we are talking about looking for what is S.I.R.P.-like (safety and income at a reasonable price), investors should screen for:

Regions with a manageable refinancing calendar, A or better credit rating, low levels of foreclosure rates and excess housing inventory, low unfunded pension obligations, and growing population bases. And best to concentrate on bonds backed by a non-cyclical revenue stream like water and power.

And have a read of Older Workers Are Keeping a Tighter Grip on Jobs on page B3 of the Saturday NYT. As we have long argued, the prime reason for this phenomena is that the boomers increasingly need income as an antidote to this last decade of lost wealth. And right now, in the muni space, we may well have the most compelling opportunity to add income to portfolios since the rapid meltup in corporate bond yields in late 2008.”

Source: Gluskin Sheff

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Comments
  • prescient11

    Arrrggghhh. I love Rosie, but this makes me almost want to double down with Whitney as he is so wrong for so long it’s tough to deal with this guy.

    The real skinny folks is that municipalities have a SPECIFIC, CARVED OUT SECTION FOR BANKRUPTCY, and several have done it before. Meaning that there is precedent for how to do it and the cities have a right to do it. Personally, I think that this starts to happen until it becomes a firestorm and the Feds are forced to step in and stop the bleeding. But many have to be scared that the Pubs might be able to stop any such rescue.

    If anything like this occurs, you will be awed to see the Dow slam through to new highs as the market shift from bonds to equities will be outrageous. If the Feds step in and bailout the cities, there will be a significant weakening of the dollar and then equities will rise.

    Barring big time dislocations like a major war, etc., I am very bullish on the market for the next two years. But, who knows? That’s what makes a market.

    • Derfem

      95% agree. Bullish as long as the politician rhetoric during campaign won’t over-shadow FED/Monetary actions. For me 1y1/2.

    • goodfriend

      yes BUT rescue programs were also already used (contrary to europe).
      It all relies on will fed govt be wise enough to avoid a collapse ? not sure, political partisanism may enter in, on top of a “we had lehmann as an example let’s let a state fail as an example”, and a democrats states could be used as an example by republicans

  • RA

    Betting hard against Prescient 111. Any major muni default will lead to a meltdown of the equity market which will lead Republicans to save it at all costs.

  • David

    I have to agree with fading Whitney’s call. That is so blown out of proportion, when municipalities go into default investors might get blanked on a few interest payments, but they will get paid back at par. Orange County did it, Jefferson county is doing it, haircut’s are rare in the muni market. It’s not like a Lehman 25 cents on the dollar trade. Also, they spent a couple hundred billion bailing out AIG, you don’t think they will spend more than that bailing out the whole muni market?

  • Hammertime

    You guys are in serious DENIAL. Bet against MW at your own risk. Has Rosenberg been right about anything in the last 2 years? Unlike the UST market, bond vigilantes are alive and well in the muni market(until the FED starts buying). What instruments might be effective for shorting munis? I have made good money with MUB PUTs. Any other ideas?

  • Muni price now does not refelect eventual 110% backstop by the government. Looks cheap considering there is no way it won’t happen.

  • epicure3

    My guess is that Hammertime has not made much money at all shorting MUB since there is so little activity in that fund. Also, there are no bond vigilantes in the municipal market. Selling bonds do not constitute a vigilante action. 2/3s of the muni market is retail.

    There are 50 000+ issuers of municipal securities in the market place and a million+ individual issues trading. Some may default, such as the bonds issued to build tattoo parlors in downtown Detroit. Bad decision to buy that one probably. However the vast majority of investment grade bonds will not default. If one does, you’ve got a 90% chance of getting your money back anyways.

    It’s amazing how few people who post here, yea you Hammertime, actually know anything about the public debt markets.

    • SS

      I think you’re wrong. Doesn’t TPC say that there are in fact bond vigilantes at the municipal level? It’s the federal level where there are no vigilantes.

  • Hammertime

    epicure: only about 70% in 2 weeks. I’m sure you know more about the public debt market than MW. LOL.

    • Up 70% in two weeks!Impressive, but hardly proof of anything.

      As to Rosie, he has been right about quite a lot the last two years, in fact he has been right about much more than he has been wrong.I suspect his clients are up nicely given what he has been advising, if not what a 100% leveraged long position would have returned. More important in analyzing his record is how have his clients done over the past five years? How about ten years? Quite well relative to the rest of the world thank you very much.

      Maybe you have done better, maybe not, but your particluar brilliance is not a reason to dismiss one of the few to have distinguished themselves in actually helping clients over the last decade. Similar short sighted remarks were made about him in 2007 and in 1998 and 1999. What is the old saw about the last laugh?

      Oh, and as much as I enjoy MW’s analysis on a number of topics, both I and Rosenberg know a lot more about the public debt markets than she does. Her concerns are valid, but overblown. If they are not overblown I promise you, equity markets will tank. Rosie will look even sharper then, as his clients will take some losses on a few bonds, maybe, but his overall recommendations will massively outperform.

  • james

    well, you can say, that bonds are future tax income sold today at discount- a promise to tax on behalf of bondholder. No doubt, tax they will, only not so sure on whose behalf. All the revenue and then more was already spent, so there will not be enough anyway. The question is distribution of declining revenue stream.

    So buying into this is betting that I, bondholder, will be made whole and will grab first no matter what- decreasing revenues, angry mob on the street, unions, riots, populist backlash, legislation changes, you name it.
    Putting all principal at risk, even at 8%?
    short term- yes, maybe, long- no, thanks.

  • boatman

    answer is somewhere in the middle….some/more n some, cities will BK’d, states no.

    rhetoric or not, feds are not letting states BK.

    you know they have to talk tough to get the austerity going.

    without the tough talk,jerry in cali be giving his allied public unions a raise!@!!!

  • JLM

    If the municipalities start defaulting all the retail investors will fly or fold like a house of cards. Don’t need the bigger states to default here to cause a carryover mess in equities. How big is the muni market – about 3 trillion. Have to love MW, what a gal!

    • Nils Nils

      A nice possibility to build a bond portfolio then? Buy munis on the cheap, sell them to the Fed later.

  • dimm Dimm

    Some thoughts on the muni market
    https://self-evident.org/?p=870
    Default and bankruptcy in the municipal bond market (part one)
    https://self-evident.org/?p=877
    Default and bankruptcy in the municipal bond market (part two)
    https://self-evident.org/?p=878

  • Dave

    Big deal article — so what does he specifically recommend to buy … soothing listed … point being made?

  • hankster

    Illinois now has a balanced budget….

    nuff said

    http://www.state.il.us/budget/Three%20Year%20Projection%201.20.11.pdf