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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting TPC...My timing is similar to yours but with a slightly earlier time frame.  Probably top within the next 3-4 trading days so it is likely that we may continue to power up and fade back into OPEX then have a 10-15% sell off to get the bears excited again.  Most likely we may ping the 1000 and bounce hard..Shake off weak bulls and kills stubborn bears..Not unlike July or Oct sell-offs.  Incidentally your calls for problems in H2 coincide with MS&#039;s chart on Secular Bear Market in which the rally from the low last roughly 17 months or so before we roll over for 25-30% from the turn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting TPC&#8230;My timing is similar to yours but with a slightly earlier time frame.  Probably top within the next 3-4 trading days so it is likely that we may continue to power up and fade back into OPEX then have a 10-15% sell off to get the bears excited again.  Most likely we may ping the 1000 and bounce hard..Shake off weak bulls and kills stubborn bears..Not unlike July or Oct sell-offs.  Incidentally your calls for problems in H2 coincide with MS&#8217;s chart on Secular Bear Market in which the rally from the low last roughly 17 months or so before we roll over for 25-30% from the turn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/some-quick-thoughts-on-the-alcoa-quarter/comment-page-1#comment-10530</link>
		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course.  But I think the implication that this is some MSM bullish fluff piece is wrong.  Like I said above, if I&#039;d wanted to write a bullish fluff piece I would have talked about the revenues and the conference call comments.  

The moral of the story is to ignore what the MSM says about AA and their lead-off report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course.  But I think the implication that this is some MSM bullish fluff piece is wrong.  Like I said above, if I&#8217;d wanted to write a bullish fluff piece I would have talked about the revenues and the conference call comments.  </p>
<p>The moral of the story is to ignore what the MSM says about AA and their lead-off report.</p>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/some-quick-thoughts-on-the-alcoa-quarter/comment-page-1#comment-10529</link>
		<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see how this looks like you&#039;re cherry picking though, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see how this looks like you&#8217;re cherry picking though, right?</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/some-quick-thoughts-on-the-alcoa-quarter/comment-page-1#comment-10528</link>
		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, they are very economically sensitive, but holy christ - their balance sheet is a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, they are very economically sensitive, but holy christ &#8211; their balance sheet is a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: AWF</title>
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		<dc:creator>AWF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TPC---You might consider viewing Alcoa as you would view a Railroad.

When Railroads are not moving goods its a sign of Economic weakness.

When Alcoa is not moving sheet metal its a sign of Economic weakness. 

This is the story---that can&#039;t be denied.

Earnings what Earnings--they have an accountant that uses an abacus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPC&#8212;You might consider viewing Alcoa as you would view a Railroad.</p>
<p>When Railroads are not moving goods its a sign of Economic weakness.</p>
<p>When Alcoa is not moving sheet metal its a sign of Economic weakness. </p>
<p>This is the story&#8212;that can&#8217;t be denied.</p>
<p>Earnings what Earnings&#8211;they have an accountant that uses an abacus.</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds pretty accurate to me.  My thing with AA is that their earnings are filled with charges, currency adjustments, and other details that don&#039;t make the comps clean.  I generally ignore their report.  

I think we will see a moderate sell-off at some point in Feb as the earnings become fully priced in and investors begin to sell the news.  We&#039;re not there yet in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds pretty accurate to me.  My thing with AA is that their earnings are filled with charges, currency adjustments, and other details that don&#8217;t make the comps clean.  I generally ignore their report.  </p>
<p>I think we will see a moderate sell-off at some point in Feb as the earnings become fully priced in and investors begin to sell the news.  We&#8217;re not there yet in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Edna R. Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edna R. Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TPC,

It&#039;s an awfully large company to ignore, and a market leader in aluminum.  The two things that strike me 1) the price of aluminum went up a lot but their top sales didn&#039;t go up proportionately and 2) the inventory of aluminum is very high and looks like a manic imbalance.  I would have a difficult time arguing for a return to sub $5 but I also can&#039;t see the stock going up much.  It had its run and it&#039;s over.  I happen to believe that the S&amp;P will continue towards just shy of 1200, mainly because there&#039;s so much money that plays the SPY, but most companies will be &quot;Alcoa-like&quot; in that their stocks have performed well for 9 months and the run is over.  We will likely tread water until end of Feb and then begin a slow sell off as each confirming bit of news will describe an economy that&#039;s very stuck and very dependent on government money.  Do I expect a crash?  Not until 2011 or 2012 at the earliest, but I also think that you have to trade the ranges now for the next 18 months or even play intraday scalps.  It&#039;s no fun anymore, frankly, but that&#039;s what the government was hoping for:  &quot;stabilization&quot; and lots of pressure on money managers to get out of cash.  It worked, but it&#039;s totally bogus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPC,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an awfully large company to ignore, and a market leader in aluminum.  The two things that strike me 1) the price of aluminum went up a lot but their top sales didn&#8217;t go up proportionately and 2) the inventory of aluminum is very high and looks like a manic imbalance.  I would have a difficult time arguing for a return to sub $5 but I also can&#8217;t see the stock going up much.  It had its run and it&#8217;s over.  I happen to believe that the S&amp;P will continue towards just shy of 1200, mainly because there&#8217;s so much money that plays the SPY, but most companies will be &#8220;Alcoa-like&#8221; in that their stocks have performed well for 9 months and the run is over.  We will likely tread water until end of Feb and then begin a slow sell off as each confirming bit of news will describe an economy that&#8217;s very stuck and very dependent on government money.  Do I expect a crash?  Not until 2011 or 2012 at the earliest, but I also think that you have to trade the ranges now for the next 18 months or even play intraday scalps.  It&#8217;s no fun anymore, frankly, but that&#8217;s what the government was hoping for:  &#8220;stabilization&#8221; and lots of pressure on money managers to get out of cash.  It worked, but it&#8217;s totally bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: TPC</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/some-quick-thoughts-on-the-alcoa-quarter/comment-page-1#comment-10523</link>
		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re conveniently leaving out the portion of the sentence before that.  I also said:  

&quot;Of course, the ER isn’t a predictor of specific stocks, but the AA quarter is a microcosm of what we can expect from the entire S&amp;P 500&quot;.  


The fact that Alcoa beat earnings last quarter was a pure coincidence with the likely outlook for earnings.  Anyone who covers AA earnings knows they are very lumpy, unpredictable and never a great barometer for earnings season.  I should never have implied such last quarter.  

If I&#039;d wanted to write something really bullish and biased I would have said that AA&#039;s revenues were out of the park and that they now expect 10% growth in China and 5% ex-China which is remarkably bullish.  I simply said to ignore them which is the equivalent of taking no position.  You&#039;re implying some MSM bullish bias which is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re conveniently leaving out the portion of the sentence before that.  I also said:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Of course, the ER isn’t a predictor of specific stocks, but the AA quarter is a microcosm of what we can expect from the entire S&#038;P 500&#8243;.  </p>
<p>The fact that Alcoa beat earnings last quarter was a pure coincidence with the likely outlook for earnings.  Anyone who covers AA earnings knows they are very lumpy, unpredictable and never a great barometer for earnings season.  I should never have implied such last quarter.  </p>
<p>If I&#8217;d wanted to write something really bullish and biased I would have said that AA&#8217;s revenues were out of the park and that they now expect 10% growth in China and 5% ex-China which is remarkably bullish.  I simply said to ignore them which is the equivalent of taking no position.  You&#8217;re implying some MSM bullish bias which is not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are getting biased in your opinions. Remember what you said last quarter?

&quot;... the AA quarter is a microcosm of what we can expect from the entire S&amp;P 500.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are getting biased in your opinions. Remember what you said last quarter?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; the AA quarter is a microcosm of what we can expect from the entire S&amp;P 500.&#8221;</p>
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