WHEN WILL THE BOND AUCTIONS BEGIN TO FAIL?
There’s great concern over the sustainability of US deficits. Most of the fear mongering, hyperventilating, flat earth economists believe foreigners will at some point stop “funding” our spending. The hyperinflationist crowd likes to keep a very close eye on US government bond auctions hoping foreign demand for debt will dry up, auctions will begin to fail and interest rates (and inflationary pressures) will surge as the United States effectively defaults (which is technically impossible) and dies the death that so many of these people wish upon it.
Unfortunately, 99% of the inflationistas have a very poor understanding of reserve accounting so their arguments have not only been wrong for a very long time, but they never really carried any weight to begin with (as one reader eloquently put it – “at some point being right has to count for something” – the inflationistas have been horribly wrong throughout this downturn). So what is really happening when the government auctions off bonds? Let’s take a look.
First of all, we must remember that the US government bond market “funds” nothing. As a sovereign issuer of currency in a non-convertible floating exchange rate system the US government never really has nor doesn’t have money. For simplicity, the US government is much like an alchemist who simply presses a button (the government literally presses a button) and abracadabra, they have money! Inflationistas call this “money printing”, but in reality the government issues money that primarily offsets the dollars they debit from the private sector via taxation (in addition to a few other factors such as population growth, etc).
Second, we must remember that private sector net savings is public sector deficit (to be more precise: net household financial income = current account surplus + government deficit + Δbusiness non-financial assets). This is simply an accounting identity. To grasp this relatively simple yet unaccepted concept, imagine if the US government imposed a one time 100% asset tax on it citizens. What would happen? The public sector would have all the assets! The private sector would have nothing. So it’s important to remember that taxation debits the private sector and deficit spending credits the private sector. But what happens to that money when the private sector “gets” it? They deposit it at a bank or it is electronically deposited. What does this do? This creates excess reserves at the banks. So government deficit results in excess reserves. By definition.
What happens next is where the fear mongering flat earth economists get it all wrong. They think the Fed issues bonds to fund spending, but the US government is never revenue constrained. The government doesn’t get a gold coin when they auction bonds just like they don’t care whether you pay your taxes in cash. In fact, if you did pay your taxes in cash the IRS would send the pile of money up to the Treasury and guess what they would do? They would shred it, or, if it was pretty and new they would send it back out for circulation. What they wouldn’t do is turn around and say “Well Mr. Obama, Joe Schmo just paid his taxes so it looks like you can spend some more”. No, the US government as a monopoly supplier of currency just presses a button regardless of whether or not you pay your taxes. This doesn’t mean deficit spending can be reckless or doesn’t matter, but that is not today’s topic of discussion….
So what happens when we auction bonds? Well, the NY Fed has accounts all over the country. The Treasury keeps very close tabs on excess reserves so as to avoid overdraft at the Fed. So the Treasury hops on the phone with the Fed and they target some level of bond issuance necessary to soak up these reserves. Why do they do this? Because excess reserves drive down the overnight lending rate so if the Fed is going to maintain the Fed Funds target rate they drain the excess reserves. Some people view this as auctioning off bonds that “fund” our spending, but in reality (because private sector net savings is public sector deficit) it is just a monetary tool that helps the Fed hit their almighty and supposedly omnipotent target rate.
In today’s world where reserves pay interest the banks have already driven the overnight rate down. The excess reserves that banks currently carry are not due to deficit spending, but rather the expansion of the Fed’s balance sheet. For more on why banks are still holding excess reserves in today’s unique environment I would highly recommend reading this paper from the NY Fed which describes why excess reserves are not inflationary and also currently being caused by the Fed’s balance sheet expansion.
Getting back on topic though – much to the chagrin of the fear mongering inflationistas the auctions never seem to fail. The success rate of these auctions is unbelievably high – like shooting fish in a barrel. In fact, they are almost always oversubscribed. Many bond market “experts” highlight the bid to cover ratio at these auctions as if disaster is imminent. The bid to cover ratio is just the dollar volume auctioned off versus the actual receipts. These auctions generally come in well oversubscribed. For instance, the Treasury had three auctions yesterday. In their 13 week treasury bill auction they issued the following results:

The Bid-to-Cover Ratio: $105,589,158,600/$27,000,182,600 = 3.91 which is WELL over their targeted levels. Any bid to cover over 1 is sufficient to “cover” our “borrowing” costs though the fear mongerers tend to tell you that any bid to cover below 2 is worrisome (which is entirely false). The levels are never below 1, however, because the Fed and Treasury coordinate the auctions to target the excess reserves the Treasury has already “spent”. For emphasis, the auctions are designed to succeed because they are coordinated to soak up the reserves the Treasury effectively “spent” – the same reserves they KNOW are in the banking sector and the same reserves they know they can offer a higher rate of interest on via bond issuance.
Where do these bond buyers come from? They come from many places (in addition to the banks holding reserves – which is why they are always oversubscribed), but most important is the fact that there are excess reserves at the banks earning 0.25% and they have the option to trade these reserves in favor of higher earning assets with a marginally different risk structure. It’s practically a no brainer trade for the banks. Why would they not turn in their excess reserves? The important fact here is that the money the Treasury has spent has ended up in the banking sector as excess reserves and the Fed is simply issuing securities to soak up those reserves and maintain their overnight rate. It’s that simple. The auctions never fail because there is always excess reserves if there is deficit spending.
This doesn’t mean that auctions can’t fail. The Fed could fall asleep at the wheel and stop contacting the Treasury. The bankers could be out playing golf all day and forget that they can earn a few extra bps on their reserves if they so choose. But in reality, auctions should never fail. The savvy market readers will note that a UK bond auction technically “failed” in March of 2009. But what happened after this failed auction? Absolutely nothing. In fact, almost every single risk asset on the planet was not only bottoming but was on an upward trajectory. Credit markets were in the beginning stages of one of the greatest recoveries in the history of markets. The next few UK auctions were oversubscribed and their government was able to continue soaking up reserves after the banks foolishly failed to trade in their excesses at that particular auction.
So next time you hear someone hyperventilating over a US bond auction failure (please bear in mind that the Euro currency system is different and that bond auction failures very much matter there) give them a paper bag. Tell them to breathe into it for 10 minutes and then tell them that everything is going to be okay. Bond auctions have no operational reason to fail. In fact, the only reason for them to fail in the USA is due to excessive golf playing – but considering the banks have traded in their 3-6-3 model in favor of the Enron banking system I think there’s no need to worry about that.



TPC,
Long time reader, first time commenter. This is truly a masterpiece which will only be appreciated by the very most savvy of investors. I am a Chinese living much of my life in Tokyo at a well known bank and have become very familiar with this country’s failings mainly due to having lived through it all (which has been very painful). You are doing USA a great favor by explaining these complex concepts in an articulate yet simple manner. Don’t stop. Believe me.
Yi
Thanks Yi. You would think that we learned a great deal from Japan’s plight, but it doesn’t appear so….
To the Fed’s credit they responded much faster than the Japanese. But they are fighting the battle with many of the same misguided policies. I personally believe Richard Koo is correct and that deficit austerity will result in a double dip in the USA. The world is in a very precarious situation right now. We must all be careful.
We shall see. We certainly look more and more Japanese as time goes on….
TPC,
Brilliant!
I tried explaining this to some colleagues a few weeks ago (not as succintly as that, maybe why I failed) and they were in disbelief…told me I’m crazy.
The thing is that this stuff is actual fact and not opinion…it’s the basic operation of the monetary system. But it’s not taught to economics students – which I’m not sure why? The result is flat earth economists like you said – all living in a gold standard world!
Well 99.9% of people don’t really understand how the monetary system works. We’ve all been taught this textbook theory that is no different than the EMH we learn in school. Unfortunately, it doesn’t translate well in the real world.
TPC: Comment deleted. Please act like an adult. Thanks. If you can’t you will be treated like a child and sent to time out. Permanently. I don’t warn twice.
Don’t do that. Ever.
ban the assholes. this is a great comment section. don’t ever let it change.
Prefer not to do that. I think anyone reading this sort of article should realize that they are a mature person. If you don’t like the piece then prove it wrong or start an intelligent dialogue. But please don’t contribute counterproductive content to the site. What is the point? Plus, I just don’t have the time to be the internet police so I must have a zero tolerance rule. It’s not because I am a prick. I barely have time during the day to keep my eye on the comments as it is….Thanks. We are all learning here. Let’s keep that in mind….
TPC, Thanks for the monetary explanation. It lets me breathe a sign of relief or at least gain a better understanding. I was buying into the fear mongering of treasury bond default and US dollar collapse with overnight run away inflation. This fear has weighted on my mind.
It’s important that we better understand this stuff. I am very much a believer in the idea that the market is driven by psychology. In a fragile environment like the current one it is easy to get carried away and convince yourself that there is no hope. That is a very destructive mentality especially during a period of deflationary risks.
I am not very optimistic right now, but I also don’t think the world is going to come crashing down on us and the USA will end in a nightmare. It’s a very important distinction in my opinion. A lot of people are trying to scare us into believing a bunch of hogwash for their own personal benefit. A lot of people have built entire lives on scaring other people. I personally would like to see them all lose. And you know my saying – the losers must lose.
Don’t let that confuse you into not understanding that you could sit for long periods of time with huge “paper losses’ on longer dated treasuries. All of this article’s content can be true and rates could still move meaningfully higher at some point.
Although at this point the entire concept of earning any money at all from money market accounts seems to be one for history books.
TPC,
nice work as always. with the greece situation, i’ve been fielding alot of questions on the US. i’ve taken a stab at explaining that it’s apples and oranges but usually just get the blank stare look. next time, i’ll just send them this link. =)
Thanks as always Rom. Keep up the great work. You’re one of my first visits every morning. I’m in NY by the way. Maybe shoot me an email if you’re around.
Unfortunately, currency systems and bond auctions are not very sexy topics. Most people would rather swim in the Gulf than spend an evening reading what we read. Fortunately, we have trustworthy people like Ben Bernanke running the country so we don’t need to worry about what the “small people” think. Not! (emphasis on Borat voice).
“It’s practically a no brainer trade for the banks. Why would they not turn in their excess reserves? The important fact here is that the money the Treasury has spent has ended up in the banking sector as excess reserves and the Fed is simply issuing bonds to soak up those reserves and maintain their overnight rate. It’s that simple. ” TPC
So, we just give money to the banks? Is the plan to have the banks own all the money?
My definition of moral hazard:
The danger that everyone will start acting like bankers
Thanks for the explanation, TPC. I’m living in a fascist country. The hippies were right! How did they know?
For all their crimes over the last few years it’s important to remember that banks serve a vital role in our economy. To pretend that they do not is pure fantasy. Personally, I’d like to see them focus more on their vital role (lending primarily) and less on their other roles (trading, etc). Banks don’t have to be evil. Just like Enron didn’t have to be evil. But they choose to be.
“Banks don’t have to be evil. Just like Enron didn’t have to be evil. But they choose to be.” TPC
I see it more as the tragedy of a common money supply. Of course the system has worked but it is far from optimum, I would bet. I would say that conventional money itself is a relic of the days when “real” money was gold or silver. It is an unnecessary intermediary that allows banks to loot capital, IMO.
“Banks don’t have to be evil. Just like Enron didn’t have to be evil. But they choose to be.” – TPC
Hey, I resemble that remark!
Jokes aside, the vast majority of “bankers” (in colloquial terms) are just a bunch of (generally) well paid average Joes who spend the bulk of their time making sure the “global banking machine” keeps on running. Just like the military or any other business, we take orders and follow them – though occasionally there are defectors willing to challenge some of the less desirable practices, usually at their own peril and usually without receiving credit for such. Most cannot even begin to grasp the breadth of operational issues that come with running a multinational bank 24/7/365 in just about every market that exists. It takes a lot of effort, time, grit, pride swallowing and ingenuity (and computers) to get it done. Moreover, not ALL banks are evil – most of us don’t sit in a giant boardroom screaming “You know, I have one simple request – and that is to have sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads!” We have more important work to get done…most of the time.
I agree that some have been overcompensated and thus encouraged to take inappropriate risks. However, much like other professions, would you want the guy keeping track of your money/loans/debts/credits/etc to be underpaid? Surely people don’t complain nearly as much about doctors or lawyers or other professionals who are generally paid very well (and who also frequently fail). In fact, people will give much more latitude to other professionals then “bankers” when they don’t deliver on promises – as money trumps health, morals, peace, love, and goodwill towards others in this day and age (unfortunately). Plus you could just as easily apply the monetary logic above to bankers: we’re funded with credits so we can go out and spend these credits on products and services provided by others…and spend we do!
Finally, as an aside – I’ve enclosed the word “bankers” in quotes because a Banker is a very specific role in finance and too often broadly applied to all of us that work in a bank. Bankers are facilitators similar to car salesmen but with a bit more knowledge of the products they sell. They facilitate loans, revolving credit lines, underwritings, etc by communicating with the specific business line experts providing said products and negotiating terms and contracts with sophisticated clientele. There are not a whole lot of bankers working in a bank – most of us have different job titles. Semantics, perhaps – but I’d generally prefer not to be lumped in with say an overleveraged senior CDS trader and nor would most real Bankers.
Oh, by the way, great post TPC – I’ll surely be linking for others to read as its easier than explaining. This belongs in the Best Of section
Banker,
We’ve had this conversation before and I am guilty of vast generalizations. Apologies. But I think you get my point, right? I know bankers are people also. I entirely recognize that. But there are some functions that certain employees at banks perform that are not really contributing much to society. In fact, they are in many ways detracting.
I do get your point and agree with that assessment of value. And I would even add that in some cases, executives and board members not only sanction but also mandate such irresponsibility and wasteful excesses. Then when it comes time to pay the piper, they rollover on some schlep. Considering some of the “austerity measures” that banks had in place in 2008 (for example, a certain large US Bank mandated that no one could make color copies or printouts except for client reporting), one would be a fool to assume that a single entity could gamble billions in the market and go unseen while doing so. Additionally, somehow banks have managed to function with large staff reductions which begs the question of why that staff was employed to begin with. A hint to the answer could be stated as such: “The fastest way to become a managing director is to insure that you’re managing more directors…”
But there’s lots of safeguards in place as well. Some of the reforms being proposed are certainly a good idea, some not so much. For example, a good reform is imposing cross-market trading limits beyond internal banking limits and exchange limits. A bad sub-clause to this is requiring that it runs in real time simply because its a logistical nightmare, costs a boatload to implement, and adds no real value. Imagine mandating that you must fence in your dog to a certain area and also requiring that someone checks that he’s within that area every few minutes.
The banks that have stayed alive during this crisis have stuck to the tried and true business lines while only dabbling in the newer stuff. Of course, a few trillion dollars injected into the system kept everyone afloat….
Awesome article, the sort of explanation that is sorely lacking.
TPC,
I really enjoy reading your material (even if I don’t always agree). I must admit that some of this recent discussion on how things actually work is very new to me and I am having troubles grasping it – not due to your explanations but rather from years of thinking one way. Are there any additional reading materials you could recommend on these subjects (in addition to the NY Fed link)that would allow me to delve into the details and better form my opinions.
Thanks very much for providing the content you do and a different perspective.
LCB
Info on how the bond auction system works?
LCB,
While I’m not clear on which aspect you are hoping for additional clarity on, perhaps this macroeconomic balance sheet visualizer could help a little?
http://econviz.com/balance-sheet-visualizer.html
Choose ‘government spends’ and ‘government taxes’ [EDIT: I meant 'government issues debt'] from the drop down…
private sector savings = government expenditure? What about exports – imports and the deficit there? What you really wanna say is China savings = government expenditure, no?
Now, I don’t believe it is a big issue that China holds US debt – that can be somewhat easily transferred to US private sector which is essentially what you are talking about – but that is not the state we are in – that would be like Japan where most of the debt is indeed held by the Japanese private sector.
The issue ultimately is the exports – imports situation. I agree that the debt level is not that big a deal.
Would you object to what I have to say? I’m not an expert by any means but think the above makes sense. Would like to know if I’m wrong. I haven’t heard you talking about the external deficit so much and how that plays into your presentation.
China’s bond purchases fund nothing though. Just like your taxes fund nothing.
This piece does not sound right.
Though theoretically, as long as paper money is kept between banks and Fed/treasury, regardless how much it may be, there should be no inflation. But the government does spend more than its income (i.e., taxes), and that deficit has to come either from private sectors or from other countries. And the debt is the government’s liability, and has to be paid at sometime down the road, otherwise, bankruptcy results.
I think nobody can argue that the dollar is depreciating, meaning its purchasing power is weakening, that is a direct result of excess money supply.
Though I understand this article mainly talks about bond auction, and it may never fail in theory, excess money supply (paper money) is still a concern, so does inflation.
It doesn’t sound right to anyone with a traditional econ education. And it will sound like semantics until you really wrap your head around it. But I assure you it is not only right, but it is not semantics at all.
I think what might be confusing you is that inflation is the real target here since solvency is not an issue. And yes, I would disagree that we are seeing dollar devaluation. How much has your quality of life deteriorated in the last 10 years? Has it expanded enormously over the last 20, 50, 100? Has the government really imposed a great injustice on your personal life by inducing inflation? We could get into all sorts of semantic arguments over the price of various goods, but in general the global state of personal wealth is booming. The USA might be losing a piece of the pie, but that is not necessarily due to inflation.
“Has the government really imposed a great injustice on your personal life by inducing inflation?” TPC
Hmmm! Good mess of pottage. Now where did that birthright go?
Sorry but the system is unprincipled which is why it is unstable which is why it is dangerous. It has turned the country into a nation of speculators soon to be followed by a nation of hoarders. In other words, it has given and will give capitalism a bad name. And for what? Worry about a Great Depression? Riots over austerity measures? Wars to stimulate aggregate demand? This is not free market capitalism; it is fascism.
If human psychology is the key to sound markets then let’s just put anti-depressants in the water to cure depressions and downers when it is time to calm “animal spirits” and “irrational exuberance”. Seriously, isn’t that the logical conclusion?
“I think what might be confusing you is that inflation is the real target here since solvency is not an issue.”
This sounds right (and I can understand : )
TPC,
Thought provoking article. The quality of this site is first rate. I disagree with some of your statements. They are:
“And yes, I would disagree that we are seeing dollar devaluation. How much has your quality of life deteriorated in the last 10 years?”
-You are a keen observer of bubbles so I’m at a loss for this statement. If one is to base their quality of life on asset values such as housing or the stock market then the average citizen would acknowledge a decrease in their quality of life over the last 10 years.
“Has it [standard of living] expanded enormously over the last 20, 50, 100? Has the government really imposed a great injustice on your personal life by inducing inflation?”
-Yes. The government has implosed injustice on our personal lives. Without a doubt. This statement takes no consideration of the opportunity costs of government involvement. Here is a simple question, “Does the government do a better job of managing capital for over 300 million people than the private sector can?” No, then how much better would our quality of life be with less government involvement? Secondly, inflation is a great injustice because it redistributes wealth from the poor to the rich. Those who can protect their standard of living from those who can only afford the necessities. If inflation was so great Zimbabwee would have the highest standard of living. Lastly, why have any inflation? Why not then have 5% instead of 2% or 20%?
“We could get into all sorts of semantic arguments over the price of various goods, but in general the global state of personal wealth is booming. The USA might be losing a piece of the pie, but that is not necessarily due to inflation.”
-Wrong. Why? Inflation increases wages which leads to less and less of a competitive position in the global labor force, which in turn sends jobs out of the inflating country and into a more wage competitive labor force. Look at China. Also, inflation is devastating to a country because it distorts the flow of capital. Hello Weimer Republic 1923, with 30% unemployment and a useless currency to transact business.
TPC, you are more Keynesian then you think.
Neil
I would argue that the govt has misallocated capital in the last few decades. Deregulation and a Fed that is very cozy with the banks has allocated a gross amount of resources into the financial sector which produces little and takes much. The last year has been an example of how govt screws up when they get overly involved. Mainly because they have no idea what they are doing.
But I think the inflation argument is largely bunk. Personal incomes have increased 50% in the last decade. GDP has increased 50% in the last decade. Of course, we’re cherry picking the market top and the commodity bottom so prices are skewed from these starting points, but I am not convinced that we are experiencing a huge destruction in our quality of life. We are simply digesting a gross bubble that was the excess of the 90′s. If you include the 90′s in this data I think there are very few Americans who would say they are much worse off than they were in 1990. In fact, most would say they are SUBSTANTIALLY better off. Almost disgustingly well off compared to the world.
I think the commodity price surge in the last decade is partially due to the growth in emerging markets and the growth in financial markets. Not necessarily a surge in the rate of domestic inflation.
As for me being a Keynesian – I simply recognize that govt can and does spend money on good things. In fact, if they are going to tax us they must spend something so we are all Keynesians almost by understanding the monetary system in which we live….
@ jb
Exactly what I was going to ask?
What about foreign bond holdings…? US Govt spending = Global Bond holdings?
Dont flame me too hard
TPC,
It took me a few rounds of these explanations, but I get it now. Thanks.
well i have to admit you have convinced me on the discriptive success of MMT.
and i am with you of course on the limitations of its application(i owe you for it)………this is where the rise in the price of gold fits in.
no, were not going back to a gold standard, and we are not going to be living in bunkers on canned food, but the mistakes the people pushing the buttons are making ensures another fall,and worse this time.
todd harrison is 100% cash for his long….. and all the buy and hold…. and the buy n sell n buy, people here think it’s hilarious……if i was 25 i would have some time to lose some money and make it back like them.
this market now is good for trading if you have the stomach, but best for shorting down.
like TPC told me three weeks ago “they will be puking on themselves”
but not him and not me.
Glad to help boatman.
TPC – Great post. Where do you fit in the assets that the fed brought on their balance sheet through the Maiden Lane funds? I would look the other way on this but the number is so high through aig, bear, lehman, fnm, et al…
check the NY fed paper. explains it beautifully.
True that we cannot have a failed bond auction, merely by structure, we own the printing press. The government cannot print money, they can only print reserves, and the treasury actually pays the FED a fee to print. Commercial banks are the only ones able to print money in a credit based economy. Since there is no more capacity for the private sector to take on debt, we have deflation as old loans leveraged default at a faster pace than new loans can fill the whole. Less currency in circulation is the result. Walk down the street, everything is on sale, and soon to be very on sale as deflation weaves its way deeper into the fabric of our society. Yes, peoples lives have been better over the last 100 years, that is exactly what happens when you pull forward demand in a credit economy, you live off the tears of those less fortunate until they no longer will slave for you. As the rest of the world slowly increases there standard of living, ours will decline until it evens out. This will take decades, lifetimes, but nature is the prevailing force. America will survive just fine, though reality will set back in and your lifestyle of 3 lease payments on BMW 3 series for your 16 year old will be a relic of the Greenspan and Bernanke era. Bond auctions are not important. The only thing that matters is an understanding of money itself and what it is exactly. Those that do not know will soon be parted. Rates will go negative before too long for those that are not through the treasury door today, as cash is based on supply and demand as well. I recommend C of I through treasury direct. You can get around the $2000 deposit limit by setting up an account as default, then letting a bill or bond of any denomination retire to it. good luck all. Your decision is easier than you think, paper assets or not, and why.
TPC,
I do not know whether you had a chance to read my yesterday’s e-mail, but this post looks like a response to it.
One technical note: it is not correct to say that something will not fail because it never failed before. Even mutual funds put in prospectuses that past performance does not guarantee future….
Another technical note: Lets be objective. If the government imposes 100% asset tax, it will not get 100% of funds going to public sector, it will get a revolution. There is a limit to accounting entries…. It’s like relativity theory – you can apply newton physics only within certain limits….
Although i am not ready to discuss your theory, i now see one important distinction between your understanding of how financial system works (correct me if i am wrong). You look at it primarily from government/state perspective. I look at it primarily from transactions between people and businesses perspective (we can call it macroeconomic versus micro economic approach).
Money (in very simplified meaning) is medium of exchange and value storage. I need to remind you that they can exist quite well independently of government. It is empirical fact. They exist during involuntary government change, they exist when there is no government. Thus, in essence, i only care about money theory in relation to myself, my money and my transactions with other people, businesses, and governments – exactly in this order, as, during my humble and uneventful life, i had more governments to deal with than close friends and business partners.
In my e-mail i provided several examples when an auction can fail. Again, i regard it as a failure when there is no willing individual or business (banks) participants at given rate. What i am trying to understand is what can happen to my money (on saving account) if an auction fails. Again (and i think here you would agree with me) only two things can happen to prevent an auction from failing if there is no willing participants – either government buys all bonds itself through the fed at given rate, or it forces participants (most likely domestic banks it this case) to buy. Both outcomes will somehow affect present value of my saving account. I wonder if, using your theory, we can analyze such a scenario….
Thanks,
KB (renamed from BK to not be confused with the original BK).
“So government deficit results in excess reserves” – ok, I’m still trying to wrap my head around all of this – DEBT=Money, Money=DEBT.
So when do you reach a breaking point – when is a gov’t deficit too large?
When the crediting to the private sector results in misallocation of investment and/or inflation.
TPC: I would suggest that when you have a chance you please follow up this article with one that addresses your statement of: “No, the US government as a monopoly supplier of currency just presses a button regardless of whether or not you pay your taxes. This doesn’t mean deficit spending can be reckless or doesn’t matter, but that is not today’s topic of discussion….”
Will do. Thanks.
Amen! Amen! Amen!
I too would like to see the follow up to that statement!
I would agree that the US isn’t doomed to hyperinflation, and that the goldbugs are wrong, wrong, wrong. I would also agree that the risk of an auction failure is so low that we have far more important things to worry about.
But again, I would dismiss out-of-hand the chartalist notion that government is the sole determiner of the value of money, or the implication that the value of money doesn’t matter. It should be fairly clear that the market decides what the value of money is, and that it does matter what the market thinks of the credibility and stability of that money.
Putting it another way, if chartalism worked, then we’d still have a Soviet Union and it would be happily using the old rubles that it used to use.
The Soviets were thoughtful enough to even tell us what the money is worth by setting an official exchange rate. Of course, the market didn’t agree. The market expressed its dissatisfaction by creating an active black market that provided a legitimate exchange rate against foreign currencies, while it expressed its domestic unhappiness in the form of long lines as consumers sought to turn their worthless paper into assets and consumables.
In effect, the country had permanent high inflation, but without a government statistic to officially quantify it. The accounting didn’t measure reality.
Accounting is not necessarily a representation of reality. Anyone familiar with GAAP should know that concepts such as “book value” and “expense” don’t equate to market value or to total cost.
The same issues apply here. Just because the government can create monetary units with an accounting entry does not mean that the market will want to use that money or assign it much value. If government wants to do business with the public or support trade with other nations, then it has to care about the value of its money, and it can’t just print it for kicks. Fortunately, we are no Zimbabwe — the US had handled QE effectively, and it makes for sound policy at times like this.
Yes, the socialist and/or “oh why don’t we just spend” comment is always the first response to MMT. Unfortunately, that displays a clear lack of understanding of the theory. I have never ever said spending can solve all our problems. Never. Some Keynesians believe this, but I guess that doesn’t make me a Keynesian.
I seem to keep repeating this to you and you seem to keep on ignoring it. There is no theory in MMT’s actual explanation of the monetary system. The scenario I described in this article is not theory. It is stone cold fact. This is actually how the system works. The application of MMT, however, is theory and varies.
TPC,
Here comes my gnoseological problem – you state “the government can print all the money it wants”, and then you state “we can not spend our way out of this”. So, clearly, government either can not print all the money it wants, or, after some limit, incremental printing would not provide desired outcome.
Any theory is as good as its explanatory/predictive powers. Now i am trying to understand, could you, using your theory, explain where is this limit?
Thanks,
KB
Technically, yes. The govt can spend as much as it wants. But wild spending would result in rampant inflation. But the point in this environment is that the private sector is extraordinarily weak. I’ve written a huge amount on the current balance sheet recession and why this period is truly unique. Because of this, govt can’t create inflation. Just look at how fantastically monetary policy has failed in boosting economic growth. Even the massive fiscal package (though horribly targeted) had relatively poor results considering its size.
In a time of healthy private sector growth a huge deficit would almost certainly be disastrous and extremely irresponsible.
As I tend to say, it depends on the environment. Most theorists like to think they will stumble upon a holy grail at some point. Unfortunately, no two economic environments are ever the same.
Keynesians would say to this, that the government just did not spend enough, and all we need to do is to launch Stimulus 2.0!!! So, as you see, with private sector being weak, the government spending do not lead to inflation. Small incremental increase in spending does not work too until some Tipping Point. Then, as you rightfully mentioned, it leads to (at least) rampant inflation. I believe the government has no clue where this TP is. Neither do I. Maybe you know?
Should we bet that the government will not cross TP? I doubt it….
“Most theorists like to think they will stumble upon a holy grail at some point. Unfortunately, no two economic environments are ever the same.” TPC
May I suggest that the “holy grail” in economics will not be based on theft of purchasing power as it currently is?
I mean theft is not “holy”, is it? Fractional reserve lending originated from a goldsmith’s fraud, issuing multiple on-demand claims to the same gold. It steals purchasing power or at least borrows it without permission. If we did money ethically then I predict it would be the “holy grail” of a stable, prosperous economy.
There is no theory in MMT’s actual explanation of the monetary system.
I’m sorry, but this is a false statement. The theory of chartalism is the belief that government determines the value of money, and that it uses taxation to set the value of money.
It should be obvious that this premise of chartalism is false. Look around you — the market determines the value of money. Even in those cases when government tries to use violence and legal sanctions to set the value of money, it can’t succeed with it over the long run. The market will respond to government edicts with black markets, with queues, by clearing out store shelves (dumping currency for goods), by switching currencies, and by other means. The government will eventually have to cooperate with and accept the market, or else that government will perish.
Look, I agree that government can create money with an accounting entry. I don’t believe that anyone is claiming otherwise. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that the money that it creates will be used or wanted by the market. The issue isn’t the creation of money, it’s the value of money.
Governments don’t maintain monopolies on currencies. When people lose faith in their home currency, they find alternatives. When they think that the situation is really dire, as did the citizens of the Soviet Union, they’ll even resort to obtaining and using the other currencies, even when they are threatened with imprisonment for doing so.
We rely upon US dollars because they are reliable and useful to us. The government doesn’t maintain a monopoly on dollars, the people consent and vote for dollars by using them and, most importantly, seeking to get more of them, thus motivating output. The dollar has earned the confidence of the markets, the law has nothing to do with it.
yet hyperinflation is a distinct possibility
I’m sorry, but hyperinflation is not a distinct possibility. The US economy is currently far too successful and powerful for that to happen. The threat of hyperinflation is about nil, and I would agree with TPC that this is the last thing that we should be worrying about. The main risk to manage for is disinflation, not inflation.
Money conforms to neither the gold standard nor the chartalist model. Both theories get it wrong. Chartalism is closer to being correct and offers valuable nuance to the discussion, but it is ultimately inaccurate. I’m glad that someone is talking about MMT, but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to start ignoring the market and believe in it.
Angry,
Agree on the first part. Value of money is determined by the market.
On hyperinflation – we can agree that right now (and probably in the near future) we have very low inflation/some deflation. We can also agree that the government is fighting it by trying to induce mild inflation. The biggest question is, would it be able to stop at the right moment, and does it even know where this right moment is? With my limited knowledge of human nature in general, and governments in particular, I doubt it.
I do not understand the argument that “US economy is too strong for it”. Do you mean that even stupid government actions will not destroy it? Or that the people of the US will revolt at some point and remove the incompetent government? I’d say this looks like matter of belief, not rationale… Again, using my humble understanding of major groups of interests, I’d say there is strong consensus to destroy existing debts not through default but through inflation… Please, comment if you think differently.
KB
We can also agree that the government is fighting it by trying to induce mild inflation. The biggest question is, would it be able to stop at the right moment, and does it even know where this right moment is?
Hyperinflation is not even a remote possibility. We would have to increase the base money supply by significantly higher amounts, such as by hundred-fold multiples. There is no good reason to believe that this will occur; the Fed would have to burn its playbook and get ebola for that to happen.
This is not Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, and it is absolute madness that the blogosphere has tried to give these memes any credibility. With unemployment above 9% and consumers still wary of spending, the last thing that we should be worrying about is inflation.
I believe that Milton Friedman got it quite wrong when he claimed that inflation was purely a monetary phenomenon. But it would be quite right to claim that hyperinflation is. Well, we’re not even close to being there yet. I wouldn’t worry about it.
I do not understand the argument that “US economy is too strong for it”.
There is no motivation for the US government to print enough money that it could create hyperinflation. The ongoing economic performance of the US economy is good enough that this is not going to happen.
Believe it or not, the US is generally pretty well managed, at least for the short- to medium-run. The US government is generally good about knowing how to create incentives that keep us interested in generating output and maintaining money velocity. Ben Bernanke is not Robert Mugabe, and it would be nice if the bizarro corners of the blogosphere would wake up and figure that out.
Angry,
Imagine, what would people tell you if, some time in late 70s – early 80, you stated that Soviet Union is doomed to fail? The absolute majority would call you an idiot and stop talking to you…
My major problem with your arguments is that they are based on beliefs and extrapolations, not on quantitative evaluation of current developments. The fact that the US is well managed does not mean i can not fail. The fact that it is well managed now does not mean the quality of management will be the same in the future.
Again, I am not saying that we are doomed to hyperinflation, i just assume it’s a possibility. We have some major economic developments right now which make it possible some time in the future. It might occur if the cost of preventing it for the fed would be higher than to allow it. As an investor, i am not betting on it yet. I am just trying to create some quantitative metrics to estimate probabilities and timing of different scenarios. To do so, i am looking at different money theories.
P.S. Talking about the powerful group interests, look at holdings of the major hedge funds and guess where their bets are…..
I am not saying that we are doomed to hyperinflation, i just assume it’s a possibility.
Again, there is not nearly enough money being printed for that to happen.
You’re worried about a torrential flood when there is no rain, there are no clouds on the horizon and there is no history of flooding. You would have a better chance of winning the lottery than of seeing hyperinflation; on the economic priority list, it belongs at the bottom. We need economic growth, not paranoia about inflation.
Well, we do not always get what we need or want, right?
I understand your position and arguments now.
Thanks,
KB
Where did I ever say that govt gives the currency its value? I think it’s obvious that the private sector gives money its value. Obviously, if a govt is totally reckless with its issuance the public will revolt and stop using the currency.
I have repeatedly said that govt cannot just spend, spend, spend because there are intangible social ramifications to such irresponsibility. This has been proven in socialist countries throughout history.
I’m not sure if you actually read the website or just comment about it after you skim articles….
Where did I ever say that govt gives the currency its value?
It is a premise of MMT that government can simply adjust monetary policy, fiscal policy and taxes to get the value that it wants.
I would agree that government can try to use policies to hit a particular value. However, where I differ with MMT is that I see that the market will be the ultimate judge of whether to believe it, and the government will have to limit itself to using policies that the market will accept as being legitimate. If you agree with that statement, then you aren’t quite in accord with MMT, either.
Again, we are in agreement that government can print some money without causing inflation. But MMT does not provide a suitable explanation for why that is the case.
In this case, Keynes got it right. We need to create demand in order to motivate output, which creates money velocity, which creates growth, which stimulates employment and good things for the system.
The more progressive monetarists such as Bernanke also got it right. We can print money without worrying about inflation because the destruction of credit destroyed the money supply, which allows us to print without feeding inflation. I suppose what Bernanke is acknowledging is that inflation is not strictly a monetary phenomenon, as a lot of our “money” exists in the form of debt, not M1.
You’re just coming to your own conclusions based on sweeping generalizations. It sounds like you read the Febrero paper and came to many of your own false assumptions about my view of the world. It’s as if I told you I voted for Obama in 2008 and you attacked me for being a raging far left liberal on everything.
Govt creates demand for money. They cannot ultimately assign its value. That is done only by its users. But it is an operational fact that only govt can issue the sovereign currency. Clearly, the public can reject that currency at any point.
As I’ve said before, the website wouldn’t be called pragmatic CAPITALISM if I advocated govt intervention in all facets of our lives. But in terms of explaining how the monetary system system in a modern monetary world MMT is about as clean and precise as it gets. Like any theory there are imperfections.
It’s important to note that this is why I believe many of the govt programs in the last 2 years have been self defeating. Many economists fail to consider the psychological impacts of policy. They prefer to jot down the equation and fill in the blanks. Life is not lived in equations and mathematical models. There are very real intangible social ramifications that result from govt intervention. Many of which can be negative (banker bailouts, cash for clunkers and homebuyer tax credits come to mind).
It sounds like you read the Febrero paper and came to many of your own false assumptions about my view of the world.
I’ve read Mosler, and I’ve reached different conclusions than he has. I’m not alone in disagreeing with him.
I can appreciate that you agree with MMT, but it is just a theory, and there are plenty of people who can comprehend it yet who find valid reasons to disagree with it. Again, I’m glad that it is being discussed, as I’m glad that it addresses the fact that “money” is more esoteric than the average person believes that it is. But that doesn’t mean that I and others have to agree with it, or that those of us who take issue with it haven’t found sound, tangible reasons to disagree with it.
“I’m glad that it addresses the fact that “money” is more esoteric than the average person believes that it is. But that doesn’t mean that I and others have to agree with it, or that those of us who take issue with it haven’t found sound, tangible reasons to disagree with it.” Angry MBA
I’m glad to see you have some humility toward the concept of money. Not enough (yet) to let Mr. Market decide but progress is progress.
“Governments don’t maintain monopolies on currencies. When people lose faith in their home currency, they find alternatives. When they think that the situation is really dire, as did the citizens of the Soviet Union, they’ll even resort to obtaining and using the other currencies, even when they are threatened with imprisonment for doing so.
We rely upon US dollars because they are reliable and useful to us. The government doesn’t maintain a monopoly on dollars, the people consent and vote for dollars by using them and, most importantly, seeking to get more of them, thus motivating output. The dollar has earned the confidence of the markets, the law has nothing to do with it. ” Angry MBA
Only partially true. You claim the government does not have a monopoly on money and then point out ILLEGAL alternatives to prove it. Thus the government/Fed has a LEGAL monopoly on money creation. Sure it is a combination of value and fear (carrot and stick) and I’ll gladly take FRNs in liu of better alternatives. But if you wish to have genuine capitalism with optimum output then you would allow LEGAL alternatives to the current system of government privileged FRNs. Not to mention that a single currency is a single failure point.
Since you advocate for the free market, MBA, then why the exception for money? If FRNs are managed so well then why would a genuinely free market not continue to accept them? In fact, it would for a while out of ingrained habit alone.
Thus the government/Fed has a LEGAL monopoly on money creation.
That doesn’t matter. The market will exist, legal or not.
The point is that the Soviets and Mugabes of the world cannot unilaterally determine the value of money, nor can they enforce durable monopolies. They can certainly try, but they will fail.
Since you advocate for the free market, MBA, then why the exception for money?
You have seriously got to get past this erroneous belief of yours. We like dollars; we use them because we find them useful.
Again, if you don’t like them, then go find some kindred spirits and create your own exchange. Once you’ve tried to do that and failed, perhaps you’ll realize that your idea is so unpopular that no one is going to support. Mr. Market will be glad to make it painfully obvious to you that it wasn’t such a great idea after all.
“Thus the government/Fed has a LEGAL monopoly on money creation.” FB
“That doesn’t matter. The market will exist, legal or not.” Angry MBA
Oh what, illegality does not add to the costs of doing business?!
Again, if you don’t like them, then go find some kindred spirits and create your own exchange. Once you’ve tried to do that and failed, perhaps you’ll realize that your idea is so unpopular that no one is going to support. Angry MBA
FRNs operate with privilege via legal tender laws, government backed deposit insurance, capital gains taxes on potential alternatives such as gold, silver and common stock and probably the IRS.
You have seriously got to get past this erroneous belief of yours. Angry MBA
Nope. I believe in true capitalism and we will need true capitalism to outcompete the world which has now adopted our fascist model.
Mr. Market will be glad to make it painfully obvious to you that it wasn’t such a great idea after all. Angry MBA
The true Mr. Market does not require force but your version does. I would not invoke his name so lightly if I were you.
Angry,
Good comment, I should have put Soviet example in my own post.
I agree US is not doomed to hyperinflation, and yet hyperinflation is a distinct possibility. Unfortunately, I cannot quantify it. I think TPC money theory, along with others, might be helpful in developing some sort of matrix of possible scenarios ranging from deflation/stagflation to hyperinflation…..
KB
Fortunately, we are no Zimbabwe — … Angry MBA
The trend is not looking good. As for Zimbabwe, they have been humbled so I would expect them to pull out of their dive. As for US, we seem to be cruising for a bruising.
The failure of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with their internal rouble accounting. If you think of a country as a huge machine, it needs sufficient food and energy to keep it running. The USSR was self-sufficient in energy, but not in food. Its food shortage was increasing year after year, and that had to be made up by imports. (The US has the opposite situation – we are net exporters of food, but importers of energy.) The rouble was solely an internal unit of accounting and had no value outside the country. In fact it was very much like food service points on a college meal plan. The USSR did its external trade in gold and dollars. It needed dollars to buy food since the US supplied the food. This need to borrow dollars and buy US food was the USSR’s Achilles Heel. They could not afford to use the total ruthlessness that would have been needed to win in the Afghanistan war since they needed to borrow dollars from the US. The fall of the USSR coincided with record low oil prices, so the USSR could not fund its food needs by exporting energy. Reagan’s SDI program forced the USSR to expend excessive amounts of its labor resources on military research and armaments, leaving too little labor to produce the food they needed. This especially hurt since their population was declining. Their failure in Afghanistan caused the empire to lose face and showed that they could be defeated. This tremendously weakened them, and gave hope that it was possible for the empire to fall later without a nuclear civil war. When Gorbachev tried to reform the system in all the wrong ways, he destroyed it. The masses saw that the emperor had no clothes, and when the Kremlin lacked the will to slaughter the secessionists, the empire fell like a house of cards.
The rouble was solely an internal unit of accounting and had no value outside the country.
This was exactly the point that I was making. The free market did not assign any value to the ruble, despite the Soviet’s efforts to do otherwise with a designated exchange rate.
A useful currency is NOT simply an accounting entry. It must be accepted and desired by the market in order for it to be useful.
The Soviet system was lacking in output because there was no legitimate money or other means with which it could compensate workers and producers for their efforts, which resulted in the population doing the bare minimum and with the most ambitious among them working outside of legal channels. That, in turn, limited its ability to buy imports.
If an economy can’t get what it needs internally or externally, it will eventually fail. Since legitimate money is needed to fund government policy, it is a matter of time before the government misfires. Wars are particularly expensive, so the Afghanistan war ultimately did them in, as they couldn’t pay for it.
This really undermines the point of chartalism, which presumes that government can use fiscal policy to determine the value of currency. This bit of history is a clear example of how that view is inaccurate.
Nice. I think this highlights how pathetic is the US math/science/economics education. Almost no one (esp politicans) understands the basics of our monetary system or probably even how compound interest and mortgage amortization works.
OK TPC … time to tackle the other great mystery … why does soverign CDS exist for countries that maintain their own currency (e.g. US)?
As a side note, bond vigilante-ism is not just the govy market. If the BVs attack the private market (e.g. MBS,ABS), then the only way for the Fed to accomodate is what they have done … blowup the Fed balance sheet and create the **potential** to devalue the worth of the currency. Therefore, there is an indirect channel that pushes private bond vigilanteism to USD vigilaneism. We have seem lots of implications for failed auctions in credit and equity, sometimes it leads to nothing, sometimes … lookout below Wile y Coyote.
Private sector is different. So are the states. They are not currency suppliers.
Why do CDS exist on USA? I mean, technically we could default. As Ben Bernanke said, Congress could allow it to happen. It would be an unnecessary catastrophe, but you never know. If you asked 100 people if USA solvency is a risk 99 of them would say yes. Other than that, I think USA sov CDS exists so that people like me can short them knowing it’s practically a risk free trade
Remember, Congress almost did allow it to happen in 1995, which is perhaps why Bernanke hedged his remarks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_1995
Isn’t it comforting to know that Congress is run by people who have no idea how our monetary system works?
“I think USA sov CDS exists so that people like me can short them knowing it’s practically a risk free trade”
Watch out TPC .. you’re too small to save (or maybe not by now) ;->
Risk free relies on the government being smart (i.e. they know they don’t have to default) … but relying on the oxymoronic “government intelligence” … well, let’s say, that’s not risk free!
Isn’t it comforting to know that Congress is run by people who have no idea how our monetary system works?TPC
Congress and governments will err on the side of protecting the currency for the sake of the PTB. The rest of US will get lectures on morality, the virtues of austerity and why it is moral to pay our debts; neglecting the little detail that the debt is owed to what is essentially a government backed counterfeiting cartel.
There is a simple way out of this mess; a bailout of everyone with new legal tender fiat. But this solution will be resisted because it reveals the looting game that has been going on. A very dangerous looting game at that since it puts everyone in jeopardy including the PTB.
Too bad we can’t figure out how to do capitalism right.
I get that the US Government is not reserve constrained. However, not all government spending is good spending. Repairing our crumbling infrastructure — good. Supporting the jobless — good. Giving handouts for people to buy homes or cars, meanwhile encouraging consumers to take on more debt — bad. Supporting the states so they can continue to provide their public “servants” with ridiculous wage and benefit packages — bad.
I understand your wanting to set the record straight regarding deficit spending and to rebuke the deficit hawks. However, implicitly, some may see this as condoning the wasteful (and some would say ineffectual) spending that our government has undertaken during this recession. You may want to include a caveat in future posts.
IMO, we need to spend smarter, not harder. Doing so, we may be able to appease both the Keynesians and the deficit hawks.
I have been very clear about this in all of my writings. I have never advocated a spend, spend, spend approach and have specifically stated that I believe govt spending must account for potential intangible negative ramifications. I have repeatedly hammered on the bailouts, cash for clunkers and home tax credits as good examples.
So, in 8+ months of reading (and very much appreciating) TPC – would it be correct to say (?):
1. When consumption exceeds output, we have inflation.
2. The US gov’t uses inflation to tame spending when we consume too much.
3. When output exceeds consumption we have deflation.
4. The US gov’t uses deficit spending to increase consumption (and combat deflation).
5. The 2009 crash was a result of consuming too much using money we didn’t have – so now we are consuming way too little (trying to pay for what we already consumed).
6. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that debt-driven consumption by the general public made us think companies were doing better than they were. Some companies were over-extended and have failed, others cut-back to reduce production to “realistic” levels.
So what happens next? Is there any way to gauge the real value of the stock market? What has to happen in housing, employment, etc. before we have a “real” economy? Is it now our turn (the USA) to have our standard of living reduced and come more in line with developing countries (because we have lost some of our ability to produce “afford-ably”)? What does the future hold for my children?
As Always Excellent Post TPC!
No, the US government as a monopoly supplier of currency just presses a button regardless of whether or not you pay your taxes. This doesn’t mean deficit spending can be reckless or doesn’t matter, but that is not today’s topic of discussion….
Looking forward to your post on above lines…
TPC,
If US government’s spending is unconstrained by the bond market, then what would happen: image if all federal tax is abolished and the spending gap is all covered by new bond issuing?
Mike Maize
“When consumption exceeds output, we have inflation.”
That is not possible. You must mean consumption demand.
TPC says “the government literally presses a button) and abracadabra,they have money!” Inflation is generaly the consequence. It’s an institutionalized system of unaccountability.
I don’t think a prolong deflation is coming any time soon. The over all history of the fed speaks for its self. Except for the 1926 to 1933 it never lasted very long. If not, would it not make the US dollar indirectly convertible in to Goods in a “non depreciating way. This would end the abracadabra game and rest assures Helicopter Ben will not let this happen.
The longest deflationary periods since the fed was created are:
January 1921 – February 1923 26 months it was a prosperity deflation.
July 1924 – November 1924 5 months
July 1926 – November 1933 7 ½ years
(with only 5 positive months and 5 zero inflation months.)
March 1938 – January 1940 18 months
May 1949 – June 1950 14 months
September 1954 – August 1955 12 months
“The US gov’t uses inflation to tame spending when we consume too much.”
Consuming to much may be wasteful but it does not create inflation.
The government use Inflation not to to tame spending but to dilute its debt.
Bonne chance.
Hi TPC,
I’ve been visiting your site for several months and have read a good number of your articles. Prior to reading your articles, my opinion was that our government is spending way too much money and would never be able to pay back all its debts. I think I’ve always understood that technically the U.S. can never default or go bankrupt since it can “print” all the money it wants. I also understand that you do not advocate reckless and unrestrained spending.
My confusion is about how to determine when government is spending too much. I’m not necessarily talking about spending poorly, but just plain spending too much. I don’t recall seeing an article specifically on that topic. When does the pure amount spent by the government become too much, especially since government spending is technically limitless?
My other question is about your concern about the public’s and politician’s fear of deficits/debt causing a double dip recession or worse. The fear could lead to reduced government spending before the private sector can recover on its own. Since the government is not revenue constrained, then why not just pay off half of the $13 trillion debt tomorrow? Why even have deficits each year? Why not just “print” enough money to balance the budget every year? Then there will be no fear of the government being unable to pay its debts since there will be none. Problem solved.
Thanks for providing all this excellent information!
Ben
Great piece, TPC!
“This doesn’t mean deficit spending can be reckless or doesn’t matter.”
OK. Then please discuss this in your next topic because I am confused how this statement is to be reconciled with the rest of the above. Thank you for you educational information.
“Great piece, TPC!
“This doesn’t mean deficit spending can be reckless or doesn’t matter.”
OK. Then please discuss this in your next topic because I am confused how this statement is to be reconciled with the rest of the above. Thank you for you educational information.”
One angle to view the appropriate amount of deficit spending is by matching it against “savings desire”. That is a very general term but means the change in value of goods the private sector wants to have in savings. The government can deficit spend the amount of “savings desire” and not cause inflation (or deflation). If the deficit is larger it will cause inflation, if lower deflation.
As an example assume the private sector wants to increase its savings by enough money to buy the equivalent of 500bb loaves of bread. They don’t really care about the number of dollars that is but instead what those dollars can actually buy . Where I live that’s $2 a loaf or $1 trillion. If the government runs a deficit of $1 trillion there is no inflation, the extra money just goes into various bank accounts (which are all just at the Fed at the end of the day) or turned into Treasuries (just an interest bearing form of money). It doesn’t actually get spent on goods, hence no inflation.
If the government is running a deficit of $2 trillion it forces the private sector to save $2 trillion. By definition the sum of all government deficits = private sector savings. The private sector is forced to save an extra $1 trillion, but remember they didn’t really care about the $ amount they save only the goods it can actually buy. The result is inflation, exactly enough inflation so that private savings only increase by 500bb loaves of bread. In the example that doesn’t mean bread prices double, that would only be true if the private sector is starting at zero savings which I presume it is not.
If the government only deficit spends $500 billion the private sector only saves that amount. But that is only 250bb loaves of bread at today’s prices! The result this time is deflation, prices decrease until their total savings is 500bb loaves of bread higher than it was before.
The takeaway from this is that the inflection point between a surplus and deficit is at the level of “savings desire” not at zero. If the private sector wants to save more in real terms (which practically is going to be the case almost all the time) the government must deficit spend. A balanced budget in this environment is deflationary. Many of your notions about inflation and deflation are correct they are just centered at the wrong point, it is the level of savings desire that determines when a deficit is inflationary not the level of zero.
“Hiring him away from the government is far less costly than it would be to hire him straight from his unemployed status.”
How many of the unemployed do you think the government should employ now?
The US public sector currently accounts for 30% of GDP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States. There is some percent (short of 100%) at which the US public sector becomes a burden?
Assume all the unemployed are somehow hired by the government (instead of drawing unemployment checks) on some make-work project and assume after few years in future the private sector is producing new jobs into which they can be hired. Will the government fire them then, to work in the private sector? In other words,it is easy to bloat the government now, but will the make-work projects slim down in future or take a life of their own and become a burden?
“How many of the unemployed do you think the government should employ now?”
All of them.
“There is some percent (short of 100%) at which the US public sector becomes a burden?”
Yes, and if I had to give an answer I’d say it’s less than the current 30% value you quote. Does that contradict what I’ve said earlier? Not at all, I think the private sector is better at doing most things than the government would be. There are exceptions, military defense or the judicial system for example. I’d rather have a small government and small taxes with a healthy deficit than a big government and big taxes with that same deficit. But I also think if the private sector isn’t fully utilizing our nation’s capacity then the government should increase its spending to ensure that it does. I can argue that government spending should be decreased in some areas and expanded in others, I believe the optimal change would be net smaller.
The idea is that a federal program providing infinite demand for labor at some price would be highly elastic. It’s the buffer that you only drop into when you lose your current job. I think you have the wrong impression since you use the word “years” to describe the term of these jobs. They are meant to be very short, no massive construction projects here. They are meant to have low cost aside from labor, no large capital investments. We never have to worry about the government firing people from these, they will leave on their own when enough private jobs reappear. You make sure to set their pay low enough that this is true. You never have to slim the program down, its of potentially infinite size, it would be unattractive to the privately employed and attractive only to the unemployed.
You may worry about the government’s ability to construct such a program, I would be too. However allowing 10% (really more like 20% if you count it right) unemployment is wasting a gargantuan amount of national labor resources. You can either waste all that labor now or waste some labor by implementing an imperfect national employment program. Either way you are wasting resources, the question is which wastes less. The concept has actually been applied, you could search around for information on the Jefes project in Argentina.
This link explains these ideas more elegantly.
http://moslereconomics.com/mandatory-readings/full-employment-and-price-stability/
A
“My confusion is about how to determine when government is spending too much. I’m not necessarily talking about spending poorly, but just plain spending too much. I don’t recall seeing an article specifically on that topic. When does the pure amount spent by the government become too much, especially since government spending is technically limitless?”
Government spending in not limitless. The nominal amount of spending is limitless, we can spend $10 trillion or $100 trillion but we are resource constrained.
If the US government decides to build a new super aircraft carrier that is 70,000 tons of steel that can’t be used to build bridges or skyscrapers. The government is deciding that steel is put to better use in the carrier. If all the steel production is being used for other purposes they have to take steel away from the private sector to do it. They can do this quite easily by just paying more for it, remember they aren’t constrained by $. If that is a bad decision then government spending is too high.
If the US economy is operating at completely full employment, everyone has a job, and the government decides to hire 1 million people to dig holes and fill them back in again they have to take that labor away from the private sector. Again they accomplish this easily by bidding up wages for hole diggers. If that’s a bad idea then government is too big.
The decision about the size of government is based on the real costs of government not the nominal cost. How much better off would we be if they chose to cancel or create any program. How many more plasma tvs and ipods would we own per capita, how much more beef could we eat, how much cleaner would our air be, how much less traffic would we have, how much safer would we be etc. Its not a good answer to your question but its the right one. The $ value doesn’t matter the real cost does.
Once you figure out the right size of government the next step is to figure out the right size of the deficit. You pick that size so that inflation is minimal (you do this by picking the taxation rate).
An interesting outcome of understanding this is that a good measure of correct government size is the unemployment rate. If we have 10% unemployment the real cost of the government hiring people is extremely low. We aren’t taking them away from any productive work. In fact we are salvaging the value of their labor that is being wasted. There are costs but they are small. If you pay an unemployed guy $1 billion a year to pick up the local park that causes inflation, he spends all his cash and doesn’t contribute much. But if you pay him the benefit his work gives to society it is a wash. It’s actually better than a wash because it makes him far more valuable to the private sector when new jobs that produce more than trash picker are created. Hiring him away from the government is far less costly than it would be to hire him straight from his unemployed status.
So what stops any nation from just building an endless infrastructure, military, etc? Why can’t any nation which is not revenue constrained just build themselves into prosperity?
So what stops any nation from just building an endless infrastructure, military, etc?
It takes a while to generate trust in a currency which is why paper was initially backed by the probable ability to redeem it in gold (which has a minimum commodity value).
Money is a fascinating topic and no one has all the answers. Near as I can figure, money has 5 values: 1) it’s redemption value, if applicable, 2) it’s known scarceness, 3) it’s traditional use as money (habit), 4) it’s convenience as money and 5) what it can buy in a given economy.
5) is ultimately the most important. People buy Euros because they can buy European products. However, Euros can buy products in other countries too so the Euro could have a value independent of the desirability of European products.
“So what stops any nation from just building an endless infrastructure, military, etc? Why can’t any nation which is not revenue constrained just build themselves into prosperity?”
Economics is the dismal science, we live in a universe with limited resources. These are what constrain us. The US can’t hire 400 million full time garbage men, we don’t have enough people. We can’t all drive Hummers across midtown Manhattan in 5 minutes through crystal clean air. I wish we could but we can’t. The best we can do is use what we have as efficiently as possible.
Economics is the dismal science, we live in a universe with limited resources. These are what constrain us. Bill
True, but money shortages can result too for no good reasons. How can an economy go from prosperity to depression virtually overnight with no physical damage to the industrial base?
“True, but money shortages can result too for no good reasons.”
I agree! When money shortages occur it is for no good reason! If there is no change in our nation’s ability to supply stuff and we aren’t producing all the stuff we can the government should go out and buy enough stuff to get us producing at full capacity again. That’s an intentionally inelegant rephrasing of Mosler’s law “There is no financial crisis so deep that a sufficiently large tax cut or spending increase cannot deal with it.” We can go from prosperity to virtual depression overnight because not enough people understand this concept.
In response to your early comment on the origin of money’s value you missed the most important one of all. It says right on the bill “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private.” In other words you can use this note to pay your taxes. If you don’t pay your taxes men with guns will come and take away your possessions or put you in jail. That is the origin of a fiat currency’s value.
If there is no change in our nation’s ability to supply stuff and we aren’t producing all the stuff we can the government should go out and buy enough stuff to get us producing at full capacity again. Bill
Well, a far more just solution would be to just distribute (give) new legal tender to EVERY US adult. The borrowers were driven into debt slavery via negative real interest rates in housing and the savers were cheated by those same artificially suppressed interest rates. Both should be bailed out.
In response to your early comment on the origin of money’s value you missed the most important one of all. It says right on the bill “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private.” In other words you can use this note to pay your taxes. If you don’t pay your taxes men with guns will come and take away your possessions or put you in jail. That is the origin of a fiat currency’s value. Bill
Excellent point. I agree. Silly of me to forget that. Talley sticks had value simply because they could be used to pay taxes. “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s” refers to Caesar’s money.
I agree with you. There are/were far more equitable and efficient ways to increase government spending. One time payments have the great benefit of being one-time. Not to steal all of Mosler’s ideas but he has advocated abolishing the payroll tax, that gives a very quick and well distributed increase in spending. It also is somewhat more palatable to deficit hawks who might be more likely to stomach a “tax decrease” over a “spending increase”. You could also give a per capita payment to local or state governments that would be far better suited to allocate wisely than the federal government.
Not that I’m complaining, I personally got a sweet Fed inspired subsidy to my mortgage rate and 8 grand back on tax day.
Not to steal all of Mosler’s ideas but he has advocated abolishing the payroll tax, that gives a very quick and well distributed increase in spending. It also is somewhat more palatable to deficit hawks who might be more likely to stomach a “tax decrease” over a “spending increase”. Bill
Yes, let the hawks oppose a regressive tax cut if they dare. Go Warren Mosler!
World class thread. I’ll posit a question to all.
Can someone explain in clear language how/why it is that Japan/Germany have a 10-yr govt bond yield substantially below that of the US 10-yr?
Is the market yield based primarily on inflation expectations? If so, is it not unreasonable to think that we could see a sub 2% 10-yr?
Explain Japan’s 1.2% JGB yield, despite the high debt/GDP. I realize that internal consumption, savings and demographics are involved, but there must be more?? If not, then is this not where the US is going?
Thanks in advance.
Can someone explain in clear language how/why it is that Japan/Germany have a 10-yr govt bond yield substantially below that of the US 10-yr?
- They run trade surpluses, and we don’t. Trade deficits have to be funded with debt and/or FDI (the current account has to be balanced), while trade surpluses add to national income. (Mind you, this does not mean that trade surpluses are desirable for the domestic economy. However, they are good for the bondholders.)
- We need to borrow more money, so we need to pay slightly higher rates in order to attract enough of it.
(This is obviously not an answer that a proponent of MMT would provide.)
Richard Koo actually debunks this myth in his Holy Grail of Macroeconomics. There is almost no relationship between the “twin deficits”. This seems to be more in-line with MMT than anything else although Koo is not a believer in MMT (at least not to my knowledge).
The difference in yields is just a reflection of the markets perceived rate demands when compared to their potential inflation risk. Japan has very low inflation so bond buyers are willing to accept lower rates.
There is almost no relationship between the “twin deficits”.
I’m not referring to the budget deficit, but to the trade deficit.
It is possible to run budget surpluses and trade deficits simultaneously, as the US did during the 1990′s. It is also possible to have a budget surplus while carrying public debt.
The need to balance trade deficits with an inflow is an accounting issue. The bond markets like trade surpluses, because they offer an additional source of income that can be used to repay their loans.
That doesn’t mean that the US should aspire to run trade surpluses. As Japan and Germany illustrate, trade surpluses have their drawbacks.
That being said, I like what I have seen of Koo’s work but I am not familiar with the book, so I appreciate the reference.
MBA & Dan,
It’s actually a Fed paper: http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/ifdp/2005/825/ifdp825.pdf
They come to the conclusion that the twin deficits are almost entirely unrelated so, no we do not need to borrow more as MBA implies. Foreign funding into the trade deficit is not a function of borrowing. That is a total myth that Koo debunks in his book. He is not an MMTer, but his policy response is exactly in-line with what many MMTers think should occur. I have a feeling he would agree with almost all of what MMT says….The study above finds that trade deficits are almost entirely a function of dollar exchange rate and relative growth between nations. That’s all.
They come to the conclusion that the twin deficits are almost entirely unrelated so, no we do not need to borrow more as MBA implies.
Trade deficits have to be funded with an inflow. That’s just what a “balance of payments” is.
The US gets plenty of foreign investment, which serves as the counterbalance. It doesn’t have to be debt if there are assets to sell. But there has to be something to balance a trade deficit.
My main point is that a trade surplus creates more national income, which is good from a bondholder’s perspective.
A foreign country can have a lower 10 year rate if foreign investors expect its currency to appreciate vs the dollar over 10 years, or if the 10 year bonds are being purchased by the central bank (QE). Japan does a lot of QE.
This guy seems to pull it all together with regard to money, banking and politics:
Renaissance 2.0: Lesson 6 (part 2 of 3) – Brightening the Future
I don’t know what his proposed solutions are but his diagnosis is right on; we are fascist Hamiltonians.
Could you explain the meaning of – Treasury keeps very close tabs on excess reserves so as to avoid overdraft at the Fed.
and ” so if the Fed is going to maintain the Fed Funds target rate they drain the excess reserves.”
Is that a way of providing interest on their reserves.
TPC;
Very thought-provoking piece…I’d be interested in your views on the perspective that has seemed very compelling to me and that can be summed up as: “Short rates can essentially never rise again because the cost to service the debt would be unsupportable”. I recognize that debt can always be “services” with devalued dollars and perhaps I am missing the point of your piece in asking this but I am trying to appreciate the implications of this concept. I recognize that our bond auctions can always be forced to “succeed” however it seems to me that understanding when external (non-Fed) forces can push up rates is the key question.
Thanks,
Junior
Question: so there is no limit to how much the U.S. can borrow via bond auctions? 100 trillion? One thousand trillion?
OK so there must be a limit. So the question is, what is the limit?
And if we borrow one thousand trillion dollars, there will be no inflation?
From the way you phrased your question I think you might have misunderstood the underlying concept. You are getting the order backwards, government spending comes first then bonds are sold to “borrow” that back not vice versa. There is a very real and obvious limit to how much the US can “borrow” via bond auctions. That is the sum total of all the deficits and surpluses ever run by the government. The government can’t “borrow” money that it hasn’t spent already.
To see this imagine an fictious brand new country, maybe your local town decides to secede from the US. This brand new country decides to introduce it’s own currency, the “Bill”, only the government is allowed to create it. Your new independent town decides to hire some teachers, firemen, and a police force. They are going to pay them in Bills. Where are they going to get those Bills to pay salaries? Can they issue a bond and borrow Bills from the private sector? No, there are no Bills yet in existence, the public has no Bills to exchange for bonds. Instead the government simply creates them at the new town mint. They pay the teachers, firemen, and policemen with these brand new Bills. At the end of the year the town taxes away most of these Bills. If the townsfolk want a place to save Bills the government can oblige them and exchange those Bills for bonds. There is no reason why the town ever needs to sell bonds, it is only because the townsfolk want to have their currency held in bond form instead of Bill form.
So the answer to the borrowing question is that the US can only ever “borrow” the total amount the government has ever spent – the total amount the government has ever taxed. They could “borrow” less but not more.
The real intent of your question is “How much can the government spend without causing inflation”. Everyone agrees that the US can print money, most just incorrectly assume this causes inflation. That is not necessarily true.
“Printing money” or spending money and not turning it into treasuries has no effect on prices until it causes aggregate demand to exceed the economy’s capacity to produce goods and services. If we aren’t at full capacity increasing spending only increases the amount of goods and services produced. If we are at full capacity increasing spending causes more $ to compete for the same amount of goods and inflation is the result.
Ok. I know a lot of dissenters on this site get very insulting and I refuse to participate in that. That being said, I just read the Fed paper and am kind of frustrated with it. I will limit this to the first two examples.
In the first example, the Fed lends one of the banks the money to keep their loan level up. Granted, this causes no change in loan behavior for either bank. My problem is this: why is the loan the Fed makes to the bank defined as part of excess reserves? I would think on the asset side they have loans unchanged, but on the liability side they have a loan. The Fed can call it what they want, but it seems misleading to define it as excess reserves when it’s a loan that has to be paid back, with interest.
In the second example, the Fed pays interest on the reserves in Bank A equal to the interest they would have received from the other bank. Maybe I’m not seeing clearly, but this appears very counterproductive when risk worthiness is taken into account. A bank can now lend to the Fed at the same rate it would another bank, and they claim that it leaves the bank’s lending habits unchanged. I cannot think of one reason a bank would be willing to lend another bank money if they can get the same rate from the Fed.
I see your argument about how the banks trade in lower interest reserves for higher interest bonds, but first off this requires bank A’s participation solely, as bank B has no capability to do so, even though they have what is defined as excess reserves (but is actually a loan). Secondly, this thwarts lending as bank A (the conservative one) will not leave the Fed at equal rates, and bank B (the trapped one) will likely conserve by participating in interest paying reserves with whatever remaining available capital they have, or will use new money for it. What am I missing here?
Great article. But one thing still isn’t clear in my mind. If one of the coming US auctions has little demand the interest for bonds will have to go up, therefore tanking equities. Isn’t this what happened much of the 70s and early 80s when inflation was high and PE ratios were low? Isn’t it because interest rates were higher that markets saw the risk-reward ratio as unattractive and ignored equities? I think Buffett once said that stocks were good as a hedge against inflation, but something does not make sense. In other words, what are the hedges against a bad auction, even if there is little chance of this happening?
Given your views on inflation, I would be interested to hear your opinions on the possibilities of continuing deflation.
“I have never ever said spending can solve all our problems. Never.”
You didn’t say that. But you did say that bond auctions will never fail. If bond auctions will never fail, why not just keep spending? Why not give every citizen 1 million dollars, and build everyone a brand new house? Since bond auctions can never fail, we can just keep borrowing.
Also, we don’t need to worry about the debt trap: no matter how high interest rates go, we can always borrow more and more to roll over the old debt and pay the interest on the old debt.