<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: WHY DOES THE MARKET KEEP GOING UP?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:51:06 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: A Fractional Reserve Stock Market</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6369</link>
		<dc:creator>A Fractional Reserve Stock Market</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6369</guid>
		<description>The rally since March occurred because Bernanke and friends &quot;loaned&quot; enough new money to their friends to allow them to keep buying up stock of the zombie banks, to generate a prolonged short squeeze. Normally, when there are that many people shorting a stock, the inflation of the number of shares caused by all of the short sellers &quot;borrowing&quot; the real shares and selling them (without even the 10% reserve limit of the fractional reserve banking system, so far as I can see), usually drives the price of the shares down, as the total number of buyers chases an ever increasing number of &quot;new&quot; shares (&quot;newly created&quot; through &quot;borrowing&quot; by brokers who apparently have no contractual obligation to make the owners whole, such that any way you explain that transaction you end up with at least two people having an unencumbered claim to the same shares). Those with a vested interest in keeping those zombie banks from failing (the aforementioned Bernanke and friends) prevented that result in this case and manufactured a short squeeze by using newly created money to buy up all of the newly created shares. So here you have a case of monetary inflation, allowed by a fractional reserve banking system, winning out over stock inflation, allowed by a fractional reserve (or equivalent) stock market. And we are in this whole mess due to legalized counterfeiting (of money in the fractional reserve banking system and of shares in the short selling market). And the only way to fully restore a sound, honest and free currency and an honest, free and rational market is to completely abandon both of those flawed systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rally since March occurred because Bernanke and friends &#8220;loaned&#8221; enough new money to their friends to allow them to keep buying up stock of the zombie banks, to generate a prolonged short squeeze. Normally, when there are that many people shorting a stock, the inflation of the number of shares caused by all of the short sellers &#8220;borrowing&#8221; the real shares and selling them (without even the 10% reserve limit of the fractional reserve banking system, so far as I can see), usually drives the price of the shares down, as the total number of buyers chases an ever increasing number of &#8220;new&#8221; shares (&#8220;newly created&#8221; through &#8220;borrowing&#8221; by brokers who apparently have no contractual obligation to make the owners whole, such that any way you explain that transaction you end up with at least two people having an unencumbered claim to the same shares). Those with a vested interest in keeping those zombie banks from failing (the aforementioned Bernanke and friends) prevented that result in this case and manufactured a short squeeze by using newly created money to buy up all of the newly created shares. So here you have a case of monetary inflation, allowed by a fractional reserve banking system, winning out over stock inflation, allowed by a fractional reserve (or equivalent) stock market. And we are in this whole mess due to legalized counterfeiting (of money in the fractional reserve banking system and of shares in the short selling market). And the only way to fully restore a sound, honest and free currency and an honest, free and rational market is to completely abandon both of those flawed systems.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lurker</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6352</link>
		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6352</guid>
		<description>Here&#039;s what I know because it&#039;s what I see when I look around where I live.

People are spending less money; they are being frugal with it, making hard choices about what to buy based on need versus want.

Vacancies are showing up with greater numbers when I look at the various strip malls near where I live.

People are worried about their jobs; some have lost theirs and indicate problems with finding new ones.  I don&#039;t know anyone who has filed for unemployment, however.

I feel a permeation of caution bordering on dismay from people with whom I interact on a daily basis; there is a lot of worry.

If psychology is the driving factor behind The Miracle Rally of 2009, I certainly don&#039;t see that hope, optimism, and confidence around me from the people at large.  What I see and feel is contrary to the action in the markets, which has caused the confusion to me, at least until recently.

I tend to agree with others here that QE is at the root of all this.  That, and the confidence in the government to bail out companies that are too big to fail.  But that is all institutionally driven, and that makes sense given how money that is printed makes it into the economy - as deposits into Reserve Bank Members, which are used to make loans or investments.

Until the trenches (the streets where I live) begin to reflect the apparent &quot;physchology&quot; of the market, I&#039;m not buying it - it just doesn&#039;t feel right.  That doesn&#039;t mean, however, that we can&#039;t ride the wave to benefit ourselves.  I do, but I also have stop losses in place known only to myself to ensure I won&#039;t be crushed when QE stops being effective; it certainly can&#039;t sustain the markets forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I know because it&#8217;s what I see when I look around where I live.</p>
<p>People are spending less money; they are being frugal with it, making hard choices about what to buy based on need versus want.</p>
<p>Vacancies are showing up with greater numbers when I look at the various strip malls near where I live.</p>
<p>People are worried about their jobs; some have lost theirs and indicate problems with finding new ones.  I don&#8217;t know anyone who has filed for unemployment, however.</p>
<p>I feel a permeation of caution bordering on dismay from people with whom I interact on a daily basis; there is a lot of worry.</p>
<p>If psychology is the driving factor behind The Miracle Rally of 2009, I certainly don&#8217;t see that hope, optimism, and confidence around me from the people at large.  What I see and feel is contrary to the action in the markets, which has caused the confusion to me, at least until recently.</p>
<p>I tend to agree with others here that QE is at the root of all this.  That, and the confidence in the government to bail out companies that are too big to fail.  But that is all institutionally driven, and that makes sense given how money that is printed makes it into the economy &#8211; as deposits into Reserve Bank Members, which are used to make loans or investments.</p>
<p>Until the trenches (the streets where I live) begin to reflect the apparent &#8220;physchology&#8221; of the market, I&#8217;m not buying it &#8211; it just doesn&#8217;t feel right.  That doesn&#8217;t mean, however, that we can&#8217;t ride the wave to benefit ourselves.  I do, but I also have stop losses in place known only to myself to ensure I won&#8217;t be crushed when QE stops being effective; it certainly can&#8217;t sustain the markets forever.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ED MARTINEZ</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6351</link>
		<dc:creator>ED MARTINEZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6351</guid>
		<description>My psychology tells me bonds yields are not competitive with stocks -- and if what I read is correct, that the bond market is 5 x as large as the stock market, then it figures.  Besides, with the dollar down I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if foreign capital is about to buy a piece of America.  The Chinese certainly could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My psychology tells me bonds yields are not competitive with stocks &#8212; and if what I read is correct, that the bond market is 5 x as large as the stock market, then it figures.  Besides, with the dollar down I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if foreign capital is about to buy a piece of America.  The Chinese certainly could.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: TPC</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6343</link>
		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6343</guid>
		<description>I think it&#039;s impossible to make a sound argument that the economy hasn&#039;t improved at all.  Just look at the rebound in GDP, ISM, leading indicators, etc etc.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t think things are all bright and rosy.  I still firmly believe the long-term structural problems are very much with us, but we&#039;ve come a long way from ISM at 35 and GDP at -6%.  There&#039;s just no denying that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s impossible to make a sound argument that the economy hasn&#8217;t improved at all.  Just look at the rebound in GDP, ISM, leading indicators, etc etc.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I don&#8217;t think things are all bright and rosy.  I still firmly believe the long-term structural problems are very much with us, but we&#8217;ve come a long way from ISM at 35 and GDP at -6%.  There&#8217;s just no denying that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Van</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6339</link>
		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6339</guid>
		<description>I agree with P11, what is getting better? and then I see this: 

http://www.businesscycle.com/news/press/1567/

when is his WLI going to at least flatten out; maybe when the mainstream econ data data gets &#039;main street&#039; better, the AAII #s will climb above 50% bulls and we will have a meaningful correction, today was our 6th neg reversal since early Aug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with P11, what is getting better? and then I see this: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.businesscycle.com/news/press/1567/" rel="nofollow">http://www.businesscycle.com/news/press/1567/</a></p>
<p>when is his WLI going to at least flatten out; maybe when the mainstream econ data data gets &#8216;main street&#8217; better, the AAII #s will climb above 50% bulls and we will have a meaningful correction, today was our 6th neg reversal since early Aug.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: billw</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6337</link>
		<dc:creator>billw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6337</guid>
		<description>TPC,

I agree with Don and several others on this one. Mish has said the same thing. The fuel that has fired this market is QE by the Fed. Without that money there would be no upward movement, which then fuels your psychology. But Mish has shown that the majority of the money coming into this run has been from the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPC,</p>
<p>I agree with Don and several others on this one. Mish has said the same thing. The fuel that has fired this market is QE by the Fed. Without that money there would be no upward movement, which then fuels your psychology. But Mish has shown that the majority of the money coming into this run has been from the government.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6333</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6333</guid>
		<description>I feel bad for the people who bought the markets at the highs today only to see it reverse in 20 minutes. Nobody said gambling was a sure thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel bad for the people who bought the markets at the highs today only to see it reverse in 20 minutes. Nobody said gambling was a sure thing&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: TPC</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6324</link>
		<dc:creator>TPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6324</guid>
		<description>Bosun,

Capitalism was intended to function in a free market.  Not one which is manipulated by a central bank for political reasons.  

The recent turmoil is not a fault of capitalism but the politicians and central bankers who take advantage of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bosun,</p>
<p>Capitalism was intended to function in a free market.  Not one which is manipulated by a central bank for political reasons.  </p>
<p>The recent turmoil is not a fault of capitalism but the politicians and central bankers who take advantage of it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: prescient11</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6323</link>
		<dc:creator>prescient11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6323</guid>
		<description>I am just curious as to what things are getting better?  We are &quot;muddling through&quot; I suppose, but the damage being done right now is even more dangerous than what the banks did.

I think we continue to whistle past the graveyard.  Do we make it, I hope so for everyone&#039;s sake.  

But I remain very very concerned when fundamental problems are not addressed.

And to answer your earlier point, yes, when the market was dropping it was on heavy volume and yes, it was real, honest to goodness selling.

For this &quot;rally&quot; draw a line on volume and price rise over the last six months and I think you&#039;re going to see an interesting story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just curious as to what things are getting better?  We are &#8220;muddling through&#8221; I suppose, but the damage being done right now is even more dangerous than what the banks did.</p>
<p>I think we continue to whistle past the graveyard.  Do we make it, I hope so for everyone&#8217;s sake.  </p>
<p>But I remain very very concerned when fundamental problems are not addressed.</p>
<p>And to answer your earlier point, yes, when the market was dropping it was on heavy volume and yes, it was real, honest to goodness selling.</p>
<p>For this &#8220;rally&#8221; draw a line on volume and price rise over the last six months and I think you&#8217;re going to see an interesting story.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://pragcap.com/why-does-the-market-keep-going-up/comment-page-1#comment-6321</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pragcap.com/?p=9418#comment-6321</guid>
		<description>after FOMC..it went up to 1076, then take a plunge of 20 points...world of pain..Look at the volume of selling...tell me that this crap isn&#039;t manipulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after FOMC..it went up to 1076, then take a plunge of 20 points&#8230;world of pain..Look at the volume of selling&#8230;tell me that this crap isn&#8217;t manipulated.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

