WHY IT’S STILL A SECULAR BEAR MARKET
In our view the stock market is in a secular (long-term) downtrend that began in early 2000 and still has some time to go. The collapse in the dot-com bubble (2000-2003) gave way to the historical housing bubble that itself collapsed in 2007, leaving the U.S and the world awash in enormous debt, huge overcapacity and overvalued markets. The deleveraging of this debt and its negative consequences for the economy will create serious headwinds for the stock market for a long time to come.
The current debt crisis cannot be solved by mere declarations from official authorities. The debt crisis began with the decline of the housing market in 2006 and is continuing to this day. Phase I involved the transfer of private debt to sovereign debt by means of massive monetary and fiscal stimulus that has led to statistical economic recovery that remains anemic by historical standards. The problems that emerged with the Dubai crisis heralded the beginning of a sovereign debt crisis and phase ll—the transfer of weak sovereign debt to relatively stronger sovereign debt. The problem is that total debt is not reduced, but keeps getting shifted from weaker to stronger entities. Overall debt is too huge to ever be paid off and the relatively stronger nations will run out of ammunition long before the crisis is resolved.
The only long-term solution is a deleveraging of global debt, a process that cannot be solved with a magic wand waved by central bankers and prime ministers. It is a process that will take many years and will be accompanied by slow growth, numerous recessions and financial turmoil. The weaker European nations are already going on austerity, and there is more to come. Greece will have to undergo severe budget cuts without the benefit of an independent monetary policy or the ability to devalue its currency. Spain is cutting its budget by $18 billion and Italy by $15 billion. The UK, too, had announced major reductions in healthcare, IT and civil service. Germany’s plan to aid the southern EU nations and to slash its own fiscal deficit has threatened to bring down its governing coalition. France has proposed increasing its retirement age, leading to protests in the streets. The new austerity throughout Europe will lead to a sharp slowdown or recession in with negative implications for the rest of the world at a time when the U.S. economy is still fragile and China is trying to restrain a major housing boom. The entire globe is in danger of becoming like Japan, which is still struggling after two decades of monetary and fiscal stimulus—and Japan was operating within a global economy that was still robust during most of its time of trouble.
As for the economy, the general impression that the U.S. is undergoing a normal recovery is highly misleading. The following outlines a number of key economic series that supports our case that the rebound has actually been quite weak.
1) While May retail sales were up 8% from the early 2009 low they are still 4.4% below the peak reached 2 1/2 years ago in November 2007. By way of comparison, over the last 43 years retail sales have seldom declined at all, even in recessions.
2) May industrial production (IP) was 8.1%% over its June 2009 trough, but still 7.9% below the late 2007 peak. At its current level, IP is still where it was over 10 years ago in early 2000.. Never since the 1930′s depression has IP failed to exceed a level attained 10 years earlier.
3) New orders for durable goods in April were up 21% from the low of March 2009, but still 22% below the top in December 2007. In fact new orders are at the same level as in late 1999, over ten years ago.
4) Initial weekly unemployment claims steadily declined from 651,000 in March 2009 to 477,000 by Mid-November, but have been range-bound with no improvement in the last 6 ½ months. Furthermore the current number of claims is still in recession territory.
5) April new home sales were up 14.8% from a month earlier and are up a seemingly robust 48% since the low. However, the current number is still a whopping 64% below the 2005 monthly peak. Prior to the current recession the last time new home sales were this low was in February 1991.
6) Existing home sales in April were up 27% from the low in late 2008, but still 20% below the peak in late 2005. We also note that both new and existing home sales were boosted by the homebuyers tax credit that has already expired, and that the housing market has weakened considerably since that time.
7) May vehicle sales of 11.6 million annualized were up 14% over the prior month and 26% from the trough. However, this remains far below the annual average of about 16 million vehicles in the decade starting 1997.
8) Personal income for April was up 3.2% from the May 2008 trough with major help from government transfer payments, but is still 0.8% below the peak about two years earlier. We note that prior to the current cycle, personal income was never down year-over-year in any month going back to 1960, and the current figure of plus 2.5% is still at recessionary levels. .
9) Payroll employment in May increased 431,000, but the vast majority of these were government census jobs. Private employment was up only 41,000, leaving the total number of employed still 7.4 million jobs below the pre-recessionary peak. In fact, on a point-to-point basis no new jobs have been added since January 2000.
10) March consumer credit outstanding was 3.4% below a year earlier, the 13th consecutive monthly decline. Prior to the current recession, consumer credit had never been down from a year earlier in any month since the waning days of World War II.
The data cited here cover the major indicators of economic activity, and they paint a picture of an economy that has moved up, but only from extremely depressed numbers to a point where they are less depressed. And keep in mind that this is the result of the most massive monetary and fiscal stimulus ever applied to a major economy. In our view the ability of the economy to undergo a sustained recovery without continued massive help is still questionable.
Although the majority assumes that the housing market has already bottomed, a second wave of decline is already underway. Recent housing numbers have mostly been bolstered by the home buyers’ tax credit that expired on April 30th, the date when contracts had to be signed to qualify. Sales, however, are not recorded until closing, which has to take place by June 30th. Sales of new and existing houses may therefore show some further strength until then, but fade after that time.
The point we’re getting to is that sales already appear to have declined significantly after the tax credit expiration. New home sales, existing home sales and housing starts are all soft. In addition the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) purchase application index, probably the best leading indicator of future home sales is down about 40% since the April 30th tax credit expiration, and is now at a level not seen since 1996.
All of the evidence we see indicates that the tax credit merely pushed home sales ahead, and that without it, sales and prices will resume their decline. In addition to the lack of tax credits, adjustable rate mortgage resets will soar from about now until November and then reach an even higher peak in 2011. This will put more and more mortgage holders into a position where they can longer meet their monthly payments, leading to another round of defaults and foreclosures.
Furthermore, delinquencies were climbing even before the rise in resets. According to the MBA, 1st quarter delinquencies surged to a record in every single category—fixed prime, adjustable prime, fixed subprime and adjustable subprime. At the end of the quarter fully 10% of all prime and 27% of all subprime mortgages were in delinquency.
Another big problem for the industry is the so-called “shadow” inventory, consisting of homes that banks are holding, but haven’t foreclosed; homes that have been foreclosed, but not put on the market; and delinquent homeowners who have not yet foreclosed. We should also mention that 14.9 million homeowners owe more on their homes than the homes are worth, fully one-third of all U.S. mortgage holders. Of these, 9% are more than 20% underwater. Many of these homeowners may walk away from their homes even if they are capable of making their payments, and many already have done so. Some reputable studies have estimated that one-quarter of all defaults is caused solely by negative equity.
The prospect of declining home sales and prices has dire consequences for the economy. The further drop in prices will put even more mortgage holders underwater and exacerbate the number of subsequent defaults and foreclosures. The resulting decline in consumer net worth feeds back into lower consumer spending and sets up a negative feedback loop that works its way through the economy. Furthermore the drop in home values sharply reduces the value of the mortgages held by the banking system. Although the suspension of mark-to-market regulations means that banks won’t be forced to write down the loans, bank managements will certainly be fully aware of the potential threat to their capital, and be even more reluctant to make loans than they are today.
In that kind of financial and economic climate it is hard to conclude that the stock market is cheap or oversold. Most major stock market bottoms have occurred with the S&P 500 selling at 20% or more under its 200-day moving average. The index sold at 28% under its 200-day average at the 2002 bottom and 38% under at the 2009 bottom. Even at the recent lows the market was only 6% under its 200-day average. In addition sentiment is nowhere near as gloomy as it usually gets at major lows.
Valuation metrics, too, do not indicate that investors are really fearful at current levels with the S&P 500 selling at slightly over 17 times trailing smoothed reported earnings. At major past market bottoms the P/E was below 10. In fact the P/E was below 10 on trendline earnings at some point in 17 of the last 60 years going back to 1950. If anything, the current P/E is more indicative of complacency rather than fear. As we have stated many times “it’s all about debt” and the deleveraging process has a long way to go. We are therefore maintaining out bearish position on the market.



TPC – any thoughts on this analysis? Sounds similar to what you probably think, right?
Loaded with common sense. Must read here. Thx TPC.
In the long run we are dead… In the short run 1500 S&P
Would you be so kind to give the rationale behind your 1500 target?
my sentiments exactly……and if everyone gives me 5 stars i won’t drag out the DOW:GOLD hundred year chart again.
Gold made the next step in its rising wedge today. We’re seeing slightly higher highs followed by much higher lows.
It shouldn’t be long before the crash comes now.
gonna be alot of fun around here when your wrong.i can’t wait.
Nah, you’re probably right. Assets always go in one direction forever. Think 147 dollar oil, or housing, or dot com stocks.
Things turned out great for all of those, and it’ll be great for gold too.
I’ve been reading zerohedge, and I completely agree with their predicitons of 50000 an ounce once the United States becomes Zimbabwe.
Let’s be honest here – what has Zero Hedge been right about in the last year? Are they really a credible source for asset management?
I was being sarcastic. Zerohedge is never right. It’s in their rules or something.
If you look at this chart, the 1260 high correlates exactly with the upper trendline that can be drawn. I suspect a pullback now to 1240-1245, before making another slightly higher high.
http://www.fmxconnect.com/fmxmetalsconnect/image.axd?picture=WindowsLiveWriter/MorningGoldFixJune182010/4F0E3F0F/image.png
you a sarcastic nasty bore.stay on zerohedge its your style.i guess you’re a 28 yr. old troll living in his parents basement.
Sorry, I stopped posting there. Too many people like you that can’t handle opposing opinions without getting hurt. Gold is like a religion, and you can’t argue with people’s religion no matter how much it is disproved. The goldbugs are the same way. Do you give everybody one star just because you disagree, or is it because your feelings are hurt?
Let me ask you this:
Do you see one “gold bear” in these comments?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/37768097
How about anywhere else? How about on Mish’s site? Zero Hedge? CNBC? Bloomberg? Faux News? Usually an asset is about to turn bearish when nobody is bearish on it.
You can make more personal attacks that don’t prove your position if you want, but it just shows the weakness of your argument. BTW, I’m 29, and I surely don’t live with my parents.
““And it’s really absurd for them to talk out of one side of their mouths by talking about how bad bubbles are,… ” Johnny
Worse, it is idolatry which is being committed by many Christians.
You’re pretty cool Johnny. I wish I was as smart as you at 29! (Don’t get a big head, though.)
Thank you very much, buddy!
I just want to say that the true way of wisdom comes when you know how LITTLE you really know!
The older I get, the more I realize how much I have to learn.
Still, I appreciate the compliment!
@Johnny,
I misquoted you, here is what I was responding to:
“Gold is like a religion, and you can’t argue with people’s religion no matter how much it is disproved.” Johnny
Yep, humility is the secret to greatness:
“The reward of humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, honor and life.” Proverbs 22:4
So, you seem to be pretty well versed in scripture. To be honest, I’ve been looking for a religion where I can go worship god, but not get into all that “holier than thou” stuff. Any ideas on churches that are down to Earth and cool, but not pretentious or telling people that they’re going to hell for using birth control and stuff?
I don’t feel I see the unanimous euphoria and deep seated bullishness in gold by the majority of investors like I saw in tech in the late 90′s or real estate a few years back. Sure many people are currently bullish just like they are when anything else goes up but I suspect most current gold buyers would bolt from gold at the first sign of weakness and immediately go back to their “I hate gold” ways. The price isn’t really all that extended either as gold is only up about 20% over the last 2+ years. The NASDAQ did that in a month and a lot of real estate did better then 20% in less then six months. Not to say we can’t see a pretty nasty correction which I actually expect to see. I guess this just looks to me to be more like a potential intermediate top but definitely not the final top.
“The only long-term solution is a deleveraging of global debt, a process that cannot be solved with a magic wand waved by central bankers and prime ministers. It is a process that will take many years and will be accompanied by slow growth, numerous recessions and financial turmoil. The weaker European nations are already going on austerity, and there is more to come.”
In the case of Ireland, they implemented “austerity”; yet, they are not decreasing government expenditure, at all. Do you believe European governments can actually generate surplus budgets to pay down national debts? Do you think they can “grow their way out” so that they don’t have to? Or is default the conclusion?
While I agree with the premise, I wish they’d find different metrics than comparing where we are now to point in time over the past 10 years, during which times we were in the midst of two consecutive bubbles. If the datapoints during those years were so distorted by bubbles, then why use them as comparison points?
Some of these points really miss the mark:
While May retail sales were up 8% from the early 2009 low they are still 4.4% below the peak reached 2 1/2 years ago in November 2007. By way of comparison, over the last 43 years retail sales have seldom declined at all, even in recessions.
In other words, they’ve recovered almost two-thirds of their trough within about a year, but not yet at the levels that were indicative of the previous bubble, i.e. a figure that was abnormally high. Exactly how is this data supposed to be indicative of a current negative downtrend?
May industrial production (IP) was 8.1%% over its June 2009 trough, but still 7.9% below the late 2007 peak.
Ditto — the indicator has recovered half of its recessionary losses. Again, it’s uptrending.
New orders for durable goods in April were up 21% from the low of March 2009, but still 22% below the top in December 2007.
And again.
The other points are similar — an analyst who is trying to put a bearish spin on uptrending indicators. If this is supposed to be a definitive bear argument, then I’m going to put on my bull horns and start charging. (And I’m not even all that bullish.)
The only long-term solution is a deleveraging of global debt
I would agree that this would be the best long-term solution. But the alternative that is being used instead — balance sheet repair through asset inflation — will also succeed within the window of the current economic cycle, albeit at a higher cost to the taxpayer and with a slower pace. Trading today based upon what might implode 10-20 years from now is just a wee bit early.
I think that there are two things of note here though:
The first is that the derivatives of those uptrends have either been slowing, peaking, or reversing.
The second is obviously the most important: jobs. I know a LOT of productive young people who currently cannot get jobs, despite good work ethics and educations.
If the young people aren’t going to make money to sustain the economic recovery, who will? The baby boomers who are counting on government programs to retire?
I think that much of the solution lies in letting a lot of boomers retire early on social security, then their jobs will open up to the younger generation. The younger generation will have to pay higher taxes to pay for the increase in social security benefits, but at least they’ll have jobs and be able to support new growth in the economy.
The first is that the derivatives of those uptrends have either been slowing, peaking, or reversing.
The previous peaks were bubbles, extremes at the tips of parabolas. It makes no sense to define “recovery” as hitting levels that replicate the last bubble.
Recovery does not require a return to old highs, but stability and a return to normal growth. If that’s how this sort of analyst wants to define recovery, then he’s wrong.
The second is obviously the most important: jobs.
Employment is a lagging indicator. I believe that the hardcore bears have overhyped and misconstrued this, and have missed the uptick because of their misconceptions of jobs as being a leading indicator.
90% of the work force is fully employed. The key is to get the 90% to have enough confidence in the stability of their futures that they can create economic activity to pull up about some of that remaining 10%. (Even during the best of times, not all of this 10% will be working.)
That process is already underway, noted by consumption GDP and consumer confidence. While the consumer is not yet out of the woods, the trend is underway — that trend would have to reverse for it to change.
U-3 unemployment was higher during the Reagan recession than it was during this one, and it took several years for unemployment to return below 6%. Yet people look back fondly at that period, thinking of it as a boom even during the periods when unemployment remained high. Jobless recoveries are now the norm because companies can use offshoring to boost their profits; unemployment is even more of a lagging indicator that it was in the past.
Sorry, to correct a typo, the 90% of the work force is just employed, not fully employed. (U-3 vs. U-6.) Still, the same point applies.
First, I want to say that I’m not the person one starring you, Angry MBA. I don’t one star people that I disagree with unless they’re retarded.
With that said, I was just talking about the rate of change in the current peak. I’m not using any other peak previous to this cycle. I know that 2007 was extended, but I’m not using 2007 as a comparison. What I am saying is that the rate of advance of economic indicators in this “recovery” has slowed and nearly stopped. This suggests a change in direction once the second derivative equals zero. The second derivative is still positive, but losing steam quickly.
As far as jobs, the real unemployment rate is closer to 18 percent using U6. Also, while many people are still working, jobs are everything to those that aren’t….
I don’t one-star you either, Angry MBA. When I disagree, I’ll tell you to your face.
“The key is to get the 90% to have enough confidence in the stability of their futures that they can create economic activity to pull up about some of that remaining 10%. ” Angry MBA
Surely you jest? How can people have confidence in the face of an obviously unstable money and banking model and a needless deflationary spiral and austerity? How can an economy go from prosperity to gloom virtually overnight with no damage to the economic base?
You want confidence? Then bailout everyone, announce the current system needs reform and get to work on it.
I think you’re nitpicking certain parts of this article to suit a pre-existing opinion.
How would you gauge a “recovery”?? Of course a recovery would entail a reversion to previous highs simply by definition; the only disclaimer one would need to mention is the RATE at which it gets back to that. And even in that vein, saying that we’ve made back 50% of the sell off in 1 year should not lead one to deduce that 1 more year will put us back at the highs. This “rally” could stall, reverse, or simply oscillate for some time – in fact, its quite likely to be the outcome if history has taught us anything. At what point do you think people considered the economy “recovered” from the Great Depression??
Industrial production numbers can not only be a blip, they can be very misleading. Production doesn’t have a direct correlation to demand, but rather, it shows upticks in anticipation of demand. Remember the bulging inventories of Winter 2008?? That was very nearly a disaster for all participants in the supply chain (from producers to retailers) and we were already far along into this recession.
Finally, regardless of employment being a lagging indicator, one must be realistic about how much “lag” there really is – and that’s given the assumption that any of the unemployment measures are accurate (which they are not, by design). By now it should be clear that the vast majority of any jobs added in the past 1 year are government jobs with a very sizeable chunk representing temporary employees hired for the Census. Beyond that, one must peer closer into the numbers to see that there is even more number padding going on. For example, a relic calculation from the 90s still resides wherein jobs that DONT EVEN EXIST are “counted” in order to compensate for startups which haven’t yet reported employment (in fact, they’re double counted: once in this shadow stat and then once again when they report). Massive downticks in numbers are also comical as these occur as people roll off the unemployment register or simply give up looking. Finally, none of the U numbers make any consideration of our army of inmates (4 million strong). Not only are these people “unemployed”, but each individual is COSTING the equivalent of 1 greater than average salary (when after tax income is considered). Given all this monkey math, my estimate puts U6 closer to 25%. By the way, I dont think U6 includes the category “self-employed unemployed”….
All things considered, jobs is the most important issue. Saying its a lagging indicator doesn’t mean much. We shouldn’t be sitting around waiting for this number to magically turn around – a number which 70% of our GDP depends upon. Nor should we be paying people to simply sit at home. During the great depression, massive public works projects were created to employ people. They even created completely unnecessary jobs – one example was hiring people in metropolitan areas to chase pigeons away! Not only did these programs end up creating essential infrastructure which we’ve become dependent upon – they also kept people active and motivated so when the recovery finally arrived (or WW2 started), people were ready and prepared to work. Buying mortgages, insurers, lenders, banks, etc is not what should be going on. I bet $2 trillion could build the world’s tallest sky scraper, or a new space shuttle, or deep sea exploration vehicles. Those kinds of actions would motivate and inspire people rather than make them lazy and complacent, suckling from the teat of bloated government as is happening now.
/rant
Of course a recovery would entail a reversion to previous highs simply by definition
No, it does not. It means that a floor has been established, and improvements are occurring on the basis of this new floor.
It’s funny — if a friend was in the hospital “recovering” was surgery, we understand to mean what it means, namely that the patient is improving but not yet back to 100%. Yet with the economic recovery, the bears don’t think that we have recovery until unemployment is 5%.
That’s simply an absurd standard. By that definition, “recovery” occurs at the top of bubbles. And it’s really absurd for them to talk out of one side of their mouths by talking about how bad bubbles are, while arguing out of the other side that we haven’t fully “recovered” until we’re fully underway with another bubble. With slippery terminology like that, they’re just looking for excuses to be permabears.
All things considered, jobs is the most important issue.
Again, no, they aren’t. Job growth is the byproduct of a sustained recovery, not the cause. Employers don’t hire until they need the bodies, and they will stall that process for as long as possible. In a modern economy, they’ll be hiring in China and elsewhere abroad as much as possible to supply the American consumer before they resort to adding payrolls in one of their highest wage markets.
“And it’s really absurd for them to talk out of one side of their mouths by talking about how bad bubbles are, while arguing out of the other side that we haven’t fully “recovered” until we’re fully underway with another bubble.” Angry MBA
Actually the bubble might be leveled off into a plateau if the credit money in the economy was replaced with real legal tender soon after the peak of the boom. Bankers would then have the confidence to continue lending since they would know the economy would be able to repay it. Of course further counterfeiting would have to be restricted or eliminated.
Surely the reason so many people are confused and disagree on economics is because the underlying money system is insane?
““And it’s really absurd for them to talk out of one side of their mouths by talking about how bad bubbles are, … ” Angry MBA
Oh, so bubbles aren’t bad? I suppose the correctly analogies between what our economy is and what it should be is a reciprocating engine vs a turbine. Except the fuel-air mixture is aware and subject to pre-detonation in the reciprocating engine.
I think you can’t simply look at extremes here. It’s not black and white but rather many shades of gray.
To use your hospital example, if the end result of surgery is that the patient is in a coma on a respirator – would you call that “recovering” or “being kept alive” (or perhaps more formally: a persistent vegetative state)?? You really think it would go over well explaining to someone unemployed for the past 6 months or more that he should stop complaining because we’re in the midst of a recovery? I don’t think you can say we’re in a recovery simply because we’ve hit rock bottom and the only direction is up. Moreover, who said we’ve hit rock bottom?? I’m pretty certain I wouldn’t be seeing thousands of tourists taking pictures with fancy digital cameras when we’re at “rock bottom”…..
Job losses haven’t stopped increasing nor have housing inventories/delinquencies/defaults stopped rising. Public sentiment hasn’t improved and those who voted for the current administration on the basis of Hope and Change are rapidly pulling their support.
And just from a pragmatic standpoint, how can you fix a balance sheet recession if you don’t have jobs to pay off debt? Unless you hit the giant Reset button or make housing an inalienable right, I really don’t see any other way.
To use your hospital example, if the end result of surgery is that the patient is in a coma on a respirator – would you call that “recovering” or “being kept alive” (or perhaps more formally: a persistent vegetative state)?
I don’t see how you could look at the last two quarters’ GDP reports, as well as the other indicators and believe that the economy is in a “coma.”
The odd thing is that I’ve looked at the very same indicators cited in this article, and used them to reach the opposite conclusions.
I think you can’t simply look at extremes here. It’s not black and white but rather many shades of gray.
That’s exactly what I’m doing. “Recovery” is a process from the bottom. We are climbing out of the bottom. That means that we are neither at the bottom, nor have we achieved complete stability. There’s your gray for you.
You are looking to employment as a leading indicator, when employment is among the **last** things to improve following the beginning of a recovery. This lagging phenomenon is only increasing as we transition further from being a manufacturing/ labor-based economy to a capital/ import-based economy, as we can get early GDP growth without the payrolls to match.
What you think of as recovery is what I see as hitting the top of the next peak or parabola. By the time that you have indicators as good as you’d like to see them will be the time that you should be preparing for the next downturn. When everyone comes to believe that the sky is the limit, that will be the next time to head for the exits (or to go fully short).
Pragmatists need to be forward-thinking, but the average person is a good 1-2 years behind, living in the past instead of judging the future.
Job losses haven’t stopped increasing
The data says otherwise. Payrolls are now net positive, even net of the Census jobs. I realize that they aren’t increasing quickly enough for a lot of folks, but jobless recoveries are just that.
“And just from a pragmatic standpoint, how can you fix a balance sheet recession if you don’t have jobs to pay off debt? Unless you hit the giant Reset button or make housing an inalienable right, I really don’t see any other way.” IB
Yep. The bankers are removing from the economy its lifeblood. And some economists are cheering the process! I though blood letting had been discredited in the 19th(?) century?
And just from a pragmatic standpoint, how can you fix a balance sheet recession if you don’t have jobs to pay off debt?
If you want to fix a broken balance sheet, you can do the following:
1. Write down, cram down, and/or modify the debt
2. Increase the value of the assets so that their value more closely aligns with the liabilities
3. Generate income on the income statement to pay off the debt
4. Sell off assets to pay off the debt and/or move the debt to a different balance sheet
As for #1, this is occurring, albeit not as quickly or as directly as I would like, but it is still occurring. Debt is being charged off, and lenders are stalling their foreclosure efforts so as to avoid booking the asset hit. I suspect that many of these debts will eventually be written off, which will help.
The government’s emphasis has been on #2. Not my preferred method, but it has done a reasonable job of creating a floor, stimulating demand and choking off inventory.
Now, personally, I would have preferred a wholesale emphasis on option #1. As it stands, we are getting a mild form of it, largely in the form of lenders stalling their recovery efforts.
#3 is a long-term effort that comes from GDP growth. We had strong growth in the last two quarters, and should be moving toward a more normal growth rate in subsequent quarters. Not exactly a ticket to rapid payroll rebuilding, but good enough to maintain the floor of value currently in place.
#4 is effectively occurring in the public market — the government effectively transferred some of the private debt into public debt, both directly and indirectly, and sold treasuries to fund it.* (*No, I do not agree with MMT, so yes, the treasury really did sell some of that debt abroad in order to pay for it, as a traditionalist would understand it.) Fortunately, the US economy is large enough to lever up at low prices, so this is not as costly as it would be for a smaller economy that attempted to do the same thing.
New jobs will be the result, not the driver, of recovery. The consumption driver will come largely from behavioral changes among those who are already working.
“1. Write down, cram down, and/or modify the debt” Angry MBA favorite
But what does that do for savers? Just make em jealous? And doesn’t it kill banker’s equity?
“The consumption driver will come largely from behavioral changes among those who are already working.” Angry MBA
You mean the rich can’t spend their ill gotten gains fast enough? So the working stiffs have to grow confident enough (after paying down their debt) to carry the real economy?
“I bet $2 trillion could build the world’s tallest sky scraper, or a new space shuttle, or deep sea exploration vehicles. Those kinds of actions would motivate and inspire people rather than make them lazy and complacent, suckling from the teat of bloated government as is happening now.” IB
I know! We could build the Great Wall of USA to:
1. Keep inexpensive foreign labor out.
2. Keep less expensive (higher value) foreign goods out.
3. Keep dem terrorists out.
4. Act as a moat to keep dem rising sea levels from swamping US and protect US from Gulf Oil spills.
Or we could learn to do money and banking ethically and end or at least localize the insane boom-bust cycle and end debt slavery.
Addressing Angry MBA: As any health worker knows the risk of bacterial infection from extended hospital stays is positively correlated with the length of stay. The patient is becoming increasingly vulnerable to a depression.
While I agree with the overall premise that we are in a cyclical bear market it does not necessarily support the bear case to compare our current condition to an unprecedented consumption era fueled by an unprecedented GLOBAL debt explosion. That said, the income sources are where the fragility of the system rests and as these are slowly destroyed debt burdens will crush the economy.
We’ll be lucky to see 1150 on the S&P.
Just so you know, I have a target of 1147, for multiple reasons!
I completely agree.
I want to post my predictions so people know if I’m right or not later. Nobody believes somebody who says they predicted a target AFTER the fact.
(with that said, I called 1220 on the last S&P top, which was .2 points off! Really!)
settle down there Johnny. I just looked an S&P chart for a reasonable level of resistance. It’s all tea leaf reading.
I’ll give you a real-world data point. I sell steel to manufacturers (CAT, Deere, Toyota, Bobcat, etc.) and their suppliers for a large steel mill company. I will be spending my day telling several customers to take orders back because our mills are over-booked. Of course that doesn’t mean we’ll be this busy 6 mos out but this is today’s reality. Most of my customers serving the auto, ag, oil patch, railroad, hand tool, material handling and inudstrial equipment markets are relatively optimistic. In addition, prices are historically very high though 25% off the highs hit in the summer of 2008.
You probably would have gotten a five-star rating had you lied and claimed that your company was filing bankruptcy and firing 10,000 people. Some of the readership apparently welcomes that sort of news…
“Some of the readership apparently welcomes that sort of news…” Angry MBA
Not me. In fact I am sad to consider how small business is suffering and is going to suffer. Malinvestments, my rear end. A good deal of economics is used to falsely justify the crooked, unstable money and banking model we use.
Voice of sanity.
Thanks for posting it.
“The only long-term solution is a deleveraging of global debt, a process that cannot be solved with a magic wand waved by central bankers and prime ministers. It is a process that will take many years and will be accompanied by slow growth, numerous recessions and financial turmoil” Comstock Pardners
Just wrong! More banker tripe. The population was driven into debt with counterfeit money (credit) and can be rescued with real money just given to them, not loaned, by the US Treasury.
Any Christians with a Bible in Comstock Pardners? Then look up Deuteronomy 15:1 and Leviticus chapter 25, please. Irrelevant? Did they even have fractional reserve lending in those days?
Now just debt forgiveness alone might be REQUIRED but savers could also be compensated for years of suppressed interest rates with a distribution of new legal tender fiat from the US Treasury. The banks would also be fixed in nominal terms and state tax revenues could be restored.
Hyperinflation possibility? Then just limit or eliminate the banks’ ability to create credit (counterfeit).
“Any ideas on churches that are down to Earth and cool, but not pretentious or telling people that they’re going to hell for using birth control and stuff?” Johnny
Uh, no. But if I had the courage to start looking I’d pick one that just studied the Bible and did not add their own doctrines. All I do is read the Old Testament because it is very cool. You’ll like the Lord. I’ve already read the New Testament many times. Most Christians are ignorant because they neglect the Old Testament.
I wish you success. You’ll find the best cooks and the best women in church. Treat em like the prizes they are, I suggest, if you are looking.